Gay men's magazine bullied into grovelling

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twitter.com/BoyzMagazine/status/1332052779871965186

Looks like they're gunning for gay men now. Anything other than complete agreement is no good.

Readers here will be used to this sort of insanity:
twitter.com/robholley/status/1332054419337334789
I wonder if it will wake up those who have not seen it before?

LGB Alliance is 'a hate group'

Fair Play for Women is 'a hate group'

Women's Place UK is 'a hate group'

JK Rowling is 'a hate monger'

Any group which is starting to become concerned that the definition of 'hate' is becoming a little bit ridiculous and edging over into the realms of thought-crime is 'a hate group'

I feel a pattern forming here

Just read the 'working definition of transphobia' It's an essay with headings???? It would be unworkable in law or unwokeable

Yes, that 'working definition of transphobia' is very funny - section 3e) , followed by section 4a) Did no one read it through and go 'hmmmmm, let's juggle things around here a bit'?

Duckwit that conflict was just one area of dissonance.

It truly is a document meant to erase any dissension and paint dissenters as hateful.

We don’t dispute that it’s best to respond calmly to transphobia, however many transphobes continually aim to anger trans people to provoke trans people into a reaction that is used against trans people in the media.

You made them do it JK.

They have no idea do they. None.

There have been no documented cases of men pretending to be a trans woman to access women’s toilets for nefarious purposes.

Have they defined what 'pretending to be trans' is? Surely it implies there are 'genuine' trans people and people who aren't - I always thought this was a hugely transphobic thing to say.
As long as they provide the criteria for distinguishing the two groups, I'd say that's a step forward.

[quote MadBadDaddy]@RufustheSniggeringReindeer
I know you like popping up with your wry comments but if you're uniformed or have never met anyone who has undergone involuntary conversion or aversion therapy (as I have) I seriously advise you to either not bother or at least moderate your raffish tone. It is literal torture and seems to be a lot of ignorant pundits' 'solution' to children presenting with Gender Dysphoria.[/quote]
I know exactly what conversion therapy is

I was querying whether id find that that particular organisation was advocating it

I certainly don’t advocate and by the way youve had a pop at me I’m going with that the LGB don’t actually advocate it either

There have been no documented cases of men pretending to be a trans woman to access women’s toilets for nefarious purposes.

And then

Taking one or two trans people to represent the entire community.

So, it is quite alright to wait for more women and children to be harmed apparently. Just so we can be sure it is not just one or two incidences .... because those one or two people harmed are of no consequence....

Let's get a definition shall we?

A hate group is a social group that advocates and practices hatred, hostility, or violence towards members of a race, ethnicity, nation, religion, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation or any other designated sector of society. Wikipedia

And hate is "feel intense dislike for".

None of those supposed hate groups advocate violence.

None of them advocate hatred or hostility towards trans people.

What they actually do is point out that they do not believe it is possible to change sex. And if you are a man defining yourself as a woman does not change reality.

And they believe we should be able to say this. And once we can say it, accommodations can be made for all types of people to be catered for.

That's really not a hate group.

These vague blustery comments are really confusing me now. Are the police somehow involved in conversion therapy?

Denying trans people the right to their own language to talk about their situations.

This was just one of the examples where women can be simply substituted. And it is a widely recognized conflict of rights that seems to be minimised constantly and women told to stfu about.

Yeah.... nothing to see here....

It’s funny, because whether someone is pretending to be trans or actually trans when they sexually assault women depends on what you read and who you ask. Christopher Hambrook was pretending apparently.

torontosun.com/2014/02/26/predator-who-claimed-to-be-transgender-declared-dangerous-offender

But Karen White, and all the others who have transitioned in prison or on death row aren’t pretending according to many.

And Katie Dolatowski isn’t pretending still.

It’s almost as if there’s no way of knowing which males are pretending and which aren’t when you lower the boundaries and prevent males from being challenged in women’s spaces...

None of them advocate hatred or hostility towards trans people.

No you have got that wrong. You see when women say 'we want to keep certain spaces single sex, we don't want kids being set down lifelong irreversible medical pathways and we don't think that humans can change sex', that makes men murder trans sex workers in Brazil, it makes men shout homophobic slurs at trans people in the street, it makes men joke about transwomen committing suicide on Twitter.

You must remember that men always listen to and respect what feminists have to say, and if a feminist says 'transwomen are not women, let's keep certain spaces single sex' then of course that is a green light for violence. The feminists made him do it!

That is why these groups must be silenced.....

I have said many a time on here that the number of women and girls that need to be sexually assaulted in women’s spaces before TRAs show any concern is always:

Actual number of women and girls assaulted + 1

That is, it will forever be “show us another example before we start caring.”

It’s never enough. Because they don’t actually care. Some people will get their validation and that’s all that matters. They can’t be convinced or changed by the multitude of examples of harm because it will never matter to them.

or some of the material discussing anal sex that completely misses the fact that many many females don’t find it actually is pleasurable (but don’t let that material fact stop you girls from doing this cool sex act even though it might cause you immeasurable pain and internal damage!).

Ah yes, the old 'look people without prostates, no one has to do anal sex if they don't want to, but it is really pleasurable, pinky promise, and we are going to keep going on and on and on about anal so that, even if you don't really like it or want to try it, you are pressured into thinking it's a totally regular sex act that all people without prostates absolutely LOVE, and like, how will you even know you don't like it if you don't try it at least a few times? Sorry, what's that...? Ah yes, erm... lube, make sure you use lube!'

@Winesalot

and against LGBT education in schools.

They support balanced, vetted and approved LGBT education in schools. Please show us the education they don’t support. I think you will find the materials they don’t support are those that have been created by organisations that do not have experience in creating children’s educational tools that are sensitive to children’s needs, are following safeguarding protocols and are presenting complete facts. In particular the proud trust dice game, or children being told they might be ‘in the wrong body’, or some of the material discussing anal sex that completely misses the fact that many many females don’t find it actually is pleasurable (but don’t let that material fact stop you girls from doing this cool sex act even though it might cause you immeasurable pain and internal damage!).

You mean those resources MBD? These seem to be the resources I have seen them highlight should not in schools. I take it you are ok with them, then?

Do you have any evidence to show which education resources they object to otherwise or is this another ‘they are funded by Heritage’ fake evidence claim?

I am quoting own tweet because it is quicker.

I am still waiting for evidence to back up the assertions of far right financial support and also just what LGBT education the LGB Alliance objected to from MBD.

Because I have been watching the education resources that have been available and objected to, have you?

So I will ask again.

And also do you then support the use of the resources that LGB Alliance objected to being taught to children and teens?

Let’s have a conversation about this. Not just an inane ‘because twitter said so’.

The problem with that definition of transphobia - no, several of the problems - only arise because some of us are hampered in our understanding by our secure grasp of logic and capacity for analytical thinking.

If only we hadn't been so carefully educated to question what we read, everything would be fine.

@testing987654321

funded by religious zealots and various right-wing horrors.

I keep offering to receive money from the above to help my views, but not a penny from anyone so far.

Who exactly is funding the LGB Alliance?

Exactly, where is this money and who are these right wing Zealots?

Oh that definition of transphobia is just precious!

I think the term "word salad" can be over used but not in this case, it's a big ol' bowl of it with a tangy critical social justice dressing, PoMo croutons, queer theory sprinkles (warning: may include nuts) and a side order of hyperbole - yum!

And the claim of structural oppression...really there are not enough eye rolls.

Send me the money.

I have a paypal account

@terryleather

Oh that definition of transphobia is just precious!

I think the term "word salad" can be over used but not in this case, it's a big ol' bowl of it with a tangy critical social justice dressing, PoMo croutons, queer theory sprinkles (warning: may include nuts) and a side order of hyperbole - yum!

And the claim of structural oppression...really there are not enough eye rolls.

Indeed.

Although, you have to remember that the manifesto from Action for Trans Health went even further. Demanding the release of all trans prisoners, insisting that trans people be able to surgically operate on one another, and that everything should be paid for by the taxpayer, including when they change their minds as many times as they want.

Action for Trans Health gave evidence for Maria Millers government equalities report.

So when transactivists tell you that it's only a few bad apples, and these people aren't representative, it's those bad apples who have historically been consulted by the government.

Fortunately, since that that batshit manifesto, mainstream media has picked up on all of it.

Even so, that definition of transphobia is being picked up by people who really, really should know better.

Still, now the light of transparency is shining, I'm hoping exposure is a good thing.

If I recall correctly, Jess Bradley (whatever happened to....?) gave evidence to Maria Miller's government committee while women's groups were not invited.

@Floisme

If I recall correctly, Jess Bradley (whatever happened to....?) gave evidence to Maria Miller's government committee while women's groups were not invited.

A quick search reveals Jess has a new children’s book coming out sometime next year:

www.booktopia.com.au/super-dweeb-v-doctor-eraser-butt-not-available/book/9781398802469.html

Because obviously, what we all look for in a children’s author is someone who gets their dick out in public occasionally .

Action for Trans Health gave evidence for Maria Millers government equalities report.

And their comments were included in the final report, whereas the expert evidence from the association of prison governors and the professional body of criminal psychologists dealing with offenders in prison were omitted. (Fortunately Hansard documented their evidence - drawing attention both to the dangers posed to women inmates by trans identifying male sex offenders, and the very high risk that male prisoners who had previously shown no signs of gender dysphoria would lie about being trans to get into women's prisons).

So these bonkers fringe outliers are the ones driving policy formation while actual experts in the field are being ignored

Thanks NotBadConsidering. I think I will keep my thoughts on Jess's latest career to myself.