Gay men's magazine bullied into grovelling

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twitter.com/BoyzMagazine/status/1332052779871965186

Looks like they're gunning for gay men now. Anything other than complete agreement is no good.

Readers here will be used to this sort of insanity:
twitter.com/robholley/status/1332054419337334789
I wonder if it will wake up those who have not seen it before?

That article in teen vogue is disgusting.
Im mid 30s. I read j17 for years.
My best friend read 'more' i think it was called which was more risque and included position of the week.
I don't remember either including anything about anal sex.
It just wasn't a thing.
Obviously now it does need to be taught with regards to consent and safety.
I don't remember learning about it at school, if it was from playground chatter or logical conclusion that it might be one way for gay men to have sex, kind of feel like its not really my business what other people enjoy behind bedroom doors.
We didn't learn about sex toys or oral sex at school.
We experimented and worked it out. Like human beings did for millenia before sex education was around.
I was taught about dental dams at girl guides with regards to giving cpr.

jj

Have you read the resources that the Alliance objected to? It is about the fifth time I have asked.

The ones I have seen them object to fail in safeguarding measures. And regards to teaching about gender, they objected to children being told they might be in the wrong body. Something the Dept of Ed has specifically said is damaging.

If an organization provides balanced, and age appropriate information that fits the Department of Education’s guidelines, that also fit safeguarding principles... there should be no problem.

If the recent stats stating how many young women have been forced or even just coerced into anal sex are to be believed jj, you completely are missing the female experience again. Why should something that is only pleasurable to some women (and I keep saying this, it is UNLIKELY to be teenagers with inexperienced partners) be normalized for heterosexuals?

How many young women are coerced into PIV sex with all the inherent risks that entails?

Is the risk of disease and pregnancy an argument to say young people shouldn't be taught about sex at all? After all not all women want or like PIV sex, so why should they be exposed to it? It can be dangerous.

How many young women are coerced into PIV sex with all the inherent risks that entails?

More than there should be.

What has this got to do with the resources and toolkits LGB Alliance objected to?

How many young women are coerced into PIV sex with all the inherent risks that entails?
Two wrongs make a right now?

I don't think people on this thread are worried about the corruption of the morals of teenage girls.

Think the concern is their physical health and comfort.

You're pissing in the wind. Winesalot.
You wont get an answer.
And this is getting ridiculous again now.
Going round in pointless circles.
Disingenuous, gaslighting circles.
Some people want children to be taught about anal sex and shown strap ons in class.
Im not sure why any of us are giving those people the time of day anymore.

Is the risk of disease and pregnancy an argument to say young people shouldn't be taught about sex at all? After all not all women want or like PIV sex, so why should they be exposed to it? It can be dangerous.

The resources that are approved by the Department of Education cover consent and reproduction and protection against unwanted pregnancy and disease.

Have you had a look at what is being taught in schools lately?

What part of If an organization provides balanced, and age appropriate information that fits the Department of Education’s guidelines, that also fit safeguarding principles... there should be no problem. and I want to point out ‘rigorously checked by Department of Education. Safeguarding teams at borough and school level and open for review to parents (which is decreed by the Department of Education as a requirement by the way!)

Sorry, what part do you not get?

MoonPomme

I know. It is not for jj’s benefit that I have persisted.

Isn’t this a discussion about teenaged girls? And sex education given in school?

My point was that women were once teenage girls too?
Doesn't always have to be about "centring gay sex"
Although I agree it's something you can come to the conclusion you either like or don't, surely it's not a good idea to stigamatize as something that shouldn't be done. or a bad thing

Okerly dokily.

jj, so. First of all we had concerns in this thread that giving women information on anal sex... removed their ability to choose... There was a position that giving teens information on sex was bad.

Now we have you arguing that we shouldn't give teenagers information on disease and pregnancy to protect them? Is that in case information puts women off having sex too?

There is a theme developing here... Don't give teens negative information in case it empowers them to say no?

In fact jj from reviewing the information my child is receiving from their school (as approved by the Borough safeguarding officer and on the approved list from Depatment of Ed) please be assured Is the risk of disease and pregnancy an argument to say young people shouldn't be taught about sex at all? After all not all women want or like PIV sex, so why should they be exposed to it? It can be dangerous. has been covered in increasing depth as the students have got older.

The gender modules have also been informative and balanced.

Just caught up with the thread, but isn’t it amazing that the definitions of “woman”, “girl” and “gay sex” are perfectly clearly defined here when males are talking about them learning about anal, but if the LGB Alliance try and keep those words clearly defined on Twitter they’re a homophobic and transphobic hate group.

Very telling.

@Winesalot

MoonPomme

I know. It is not for jj’s benefit that I have persisted.

Indeed. Most of us realise that.

Yes, you will come in contact with some fecal matter.

I want to personally assure you that that you will not poop on anyone during anal sex. Sure, there are horror stories, but aren’t there always?

I also don’t get why someone would want to save the bad stuff until last to ‘avoid putting people off’. Why exactly do you want to encourage them other than for men’s sake. The majority of women have never tried anal sex and it’s only in the past few decades that it’s become more common among heterosexual couples. Even then, for most, it’s not something people do regularly. Mainly because for most women it doesn’t do much and can be pretty painful.

As for the stuff about poo. Yes, you’ll come into contact with poo, but I can promise you won’t poo on anyone? How can you promise that? How do you know how other peoples bodies will react? And surely someone getting your poo on their penis isn’t that different to you pooing on them? Also some men engage in disgusting practices like switching between anal and vaginal sex without warning and without cleaning up first. That can cause pretty bad infections for women.
While anal prolapse is a rare thing, fecal incontinence is not and the risk is doubled in women who have anal sex and tripled in men. I don’t think I’d be up for that for something that doesn’t do anything for me. No way would I make a health sacrifice like that so that a partner could have a bit more ‘tightness’.

I don’t think pointing out the realities is homophobic. You can’t put anal sex and vaginal sex as having completely exactly equal risks because that just isn’t true, as the anus was not designed to be penetrated with hard objects and you have to be careful as a result. At the same time, you can point out that lesbian sex actually carries a lower risk than both vaginal and oral sex. As usual, most of the activities listed in that guide are ones mainly preferred by men and lesbians are left out. If you really want to be safe girls, date other girls and leave the blokes with their demands for anal to their own devices.

@Quaagars

Isn’t this a discussion about teenaged girls? And sex education given in school?

My point was that women were once teenage girls too?
Doesn't always have to be about "centring gay sex"
Although I agree it's something you can come to the conclusion you either like or don't, surely it's not a good idea to stigamatize as something that shouldn't be done. or a bad thing

I and other posters have stated that clear and unbiased information be given.

Including the subject being included in any consent modules. Particularly about removing the fucking stigma that females are prudes if they don’t agree.

Do you agree?

Why shouldn’t these young females be told what to expect by way of risk/enjoyment and to be told that many many many women say NO!

Why can't you do both?
As in you should always be able to say no
And talk about consent

Cross posted

@jj1968

oh grow up *@Datun*

I'm not the slightest bit interested in having penetrative sex with anyone so I've no idea what you think my agenda is supposed to be.

i'm just pointing out what you yourself are saying JJ. Talking about strap ons to 13-year-olds. Saying that warning young women of the potential dangers and lack of pleasure of anal sex might put them off having it. Implying that it's equivalent to stigmatising gay sex (which is meaningless, since you can't even define it).

None of this is me talking about 'your agenda'. This is you talking.

Particularly about removing the fucking stigma that females are prudes if they don’t agree

You should never be made to feel a prude for saying no.
No means no.

i'm just pointing out what you yourself are saying JJ. Talking about strap ons to 13-year-olds

In the context of gay sex (as in non heterosexual) was brought up though?

RealityNotEssentialism

The whole feature reads like a conversation with a partner trying to persuade you to try something.

Why? I don't remember Cosmo taking this tone in its sex pieces and that was supposed to be aimed at adult readers!

48Quaagars

Isn’t this a discussion about teenaged girls? And sex education given in school?

My point was that women were once teenage girls too?

Naughty naughty quagaars, some women were teenage boys surely? 🤔
I know winesalot, not having a go, you're doing a great job its just immensely frustrating to watch.