Gay men's magazine bullied into grovelling

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twitter.com/BoyzMagazine/status/1332052779871965186

Looks like they're gunning for gay men now. Anything other than complete agreement is no good.

Readers here will be used to this sort of insanity:
twitter.com/robholley/status/1332054419337334789
I wonder if it will wake up those who have not seen it before?

@jj1968

With no emphasis on boundaries and consent.

I absolutely stressed that consent should be at the core of all RSE education, so please don't misrepresent my position.

Well it looks like most of the women on here don't consent to their minor children being taught how to use strap ons. So stop trying to make them.

@Quaagars

Sex is taught to children in high schools though? How to do it? That's nothing new. So was just saying it's an interesting point should gay sex be taught too, it's not something you generally think about

In what decade? Of course it’s thought about. PHSE covers a lot more than reproduction.

People who have argued against using correct biological terms for sex, menstruation and sexual reproduction are arguing for teaching minors about some peoples sex lives in considerable detail.

@nepeta

That transphobia definition should get maximum publicity. Such a long rant with only a few lines on actual hate speech and acts. Most of it explains why women's rights are transphobic and shouldn't exist.

In general, it seems that anything but the most abject obedience and silence is transphobia.

No wonder that trans activists allow no debate at all, because something like this would be torn apart in a real debate.

I think this will hurt the movement. When everything is transphobic, calling someone a transphobe loses all meaning and doesn't stop anyone.

You could only think that any of this would be the case if you've never actually been anywhere near the sharp end and seen what goes on for yourself.

There is plenty of reasoned debate, and it is intolerant bigots who are "torn apart", using well-worn arguments. Transphobia, homophobia, misogyny, racism, etc all fall apart when their underlying intolerance and disgust is exposed. Transphobia is only unique amongst these examples because of the extreme asymmetry of numbers. "trans activists" or "TRA" are bullshit terms for any transgender person whose opinion you wish to invalidate, by framing us as 'an ideology' as opposed to 'people'

Progress happens when people engage with people and there is mutual respect. Regarding the "other side" as nothing more than stereotypes and monsters is a self-fulfilling prophecy and gets us nowhere.

@jj1968

With no emphasis on boundaries and consent.

I absolutely stressed that consent should be at the core of all RSE education, so please don't misrepresent my position.

Erm, I wasn't talking about you My post was a summary of the education materials that were being used.

MBD, have you read the definition?

Are you saying you agree with it?

If you think lesbians can’t have sex without a strap on, then clearly some sex education has gone badly awry somewhere.

Well straight people can have sex without having PIV sex. But there doesn't seem to be any objection to telling young people about that.

Is Peter Tatchell on this thread? He's always banging on about wanting to discuss sex and pleasure with children.
RSE in schools is not about teaching children sexual positions, fetishes or the mechanics of pleasure and the fact that a couple of posters wish it was, is an indication of how little they understand children's education, needs or rights.

18jj1968

MoonPomme

Jj1969
"The lack of awareness of what this looks like from the outside is astonishing sometimes."
Followed by..
"I think young people should be taught about all kinds of LGBT sex, including how to hygienically use straps ons"
Irony alert.
Jesus christ.

So you'd disapprove I take it. So no toys, no anal sex. What about oral sex? If that off limits as well?

It sounds to me like some people don't really want RSE education to be LGBT inclusive.

Nobody taught me how to suck a dick, by all accounts I managed to learn just fine, with partners of my choosing, by experimenting in an age appropriate way in safe environments.
Not in a room full of my peers, by an adult who would have no business talking to children about such things.
Im honestly stunned that anyone thinks strap ons in a classroom are a good idea.

I wish misogyny would fall apart. Very fast

Let's look at that phrase "mutual respect"

I think the vast majority of women here would be much more comfortable if the respect was mutual

So sex based rights respected as well as any necessary gender based ones.

A respect for people who's gender identity does not match the one assigned to them by society, no matter how they chose to express that...trans , GC,

If mutual respect is replaced by bullying from one side, you lose the right to any respect

@jj1968

If you think lesbians can’t have sex without a strap on, then clearly some sex education has gone badly awry somewhere.

Well straight people can have sex without having PIV sex. But there doesn't seem to be any objection to telling young people about that.

I would expect in the context of respect, pressure and pregnancy . Again, not mechanics

In what decade? Of course it’s thought about. PHSE covers a lot more than reproduction

I just meant you don't learn about how you "do" gay sex in school, like you do with heterosexual sex, maybe you did but seeing as section 28 was a thing for years until fairly recently (was definitely a thing in the 80s and 90s when I was at school) doesn't seem likely unless you were born in the 2000s?

When I was at school in the 80s that should say, but was still around for all of the 90s

Some of the ideas of what inclusive RSE lessons should look like sound like an Ann Summers party brought into the classroom... you have to be at least 18 to go to an Ann Summers party. So anyone advocating to bring sex toy use and maintenance into a classroom of children should take a good, long, hard look at themselves ...

Nobody taught me how to suck a dick, by all accounts I managed to learn just fine, with partners of my choosing, by experimenting in an age appropriate way in safe environments. Not in a room full of my peers, by an adult who would have no business talking to children about such things. Im honestly stunned that anyone thinks strap ons in a classroom are a good idea

Excellent post MoonPomme The fact that there are so many people wanting sexual acts discussed with children in schools is very worrying. It's safeguarding red flags all the way 🚩 🚩🚩 🚩

Well exactly. What is going on here ?

RSE in schools is not about teaching children sexual positions, fetishes or the mechanics of pleasure and the fact that a couple of posters wish it was

Nobody's said that though! Who was talking about sexual positions, or fetishes etc?!
There's been talk of gay sex, that's it.

I would expect in the context of respect, pressure and pregnancy . Again, not mechanics

I think the mechanics of sex are pretty important when discussing pregnancy. Just as they are when discussing STDs. Or do you want young people coming out of lessons not being taught about safe sex outside of heterosexual relationships?

@littlbrowndog

Well exactly. What is going on here ?

We'd get deleted if we stated the truth littlbrowndog

The fact that there are so many people wanting sexual acts discussed with children in schools is very worrying.

My point was just that I can see you DO get taught about how to "do heterosexual sex" at high school.
So I can see the "argument" (for want of a better word) should high schools be teaching that gay sex is OK and how to do it too

So in this utopia of teens learning about fisting and how to use a strap-on correctly, are people envisaging that outside agencies would deliver the training, or are you expecting teachers to do it?

Nobody's said that though! Who was talking about sexual positions, or fetishes etc?!
There's been talk of gay sex, that's it.

MadBadDaddy brought it up, because MBD objected to LGBA's objection to all of that being taught in schools. This apparently makes LGBA homophobic 🤷‍♀️