Suzanne Moore left the Guardian

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I've just seen this on Twitter. That'll be even more lost readers then. Not that I'm one of their readers.

Yes that is interesting from Polly Toynbee - not seen her comment at all before. I've also just read a further, longer tweet from Susannah Rustin, basically saying how much she regrets not supporting Moore more publicly.

Maybe some good will come from this after all.

Oh no!
Suzanne made the Graun bearable - along with Hadders and Marina...

@thinkingaboutLangCleg

I didn’t know one of the people behind the disgusting Ripper museum, Linda Riley, was later appointed as the Labour Party’s chief LGBTQ adviser. The Freedom News article recalls that the application to Tower Hamlet’s council stated The museum will recognise and celebrate the women of the East End who have shaped history, telling the story of how they have been instrumental in changing society. It will analyse the social, political and domestic experience from the Victorian period to the present day.

Not a commercialisation of a woman-killer. What a typically misogynistic choice by the Labour Party.

Linda Riley is really good mates with Dawn Butler, who has attended award ceremonies she has hosted, and has attended Pride London with her.

@WellIWasInTheNeighbourhoo

I hope The Times snap her up, if they do I will subscribe.

Me too. 👍

Thanks for so many suggestions - bookmarking this one. I'm not on twitter any more, but remember glosswitch from years back when I was, nice to be reminded of that one! I hardly comment on feminist threads - particularly with social media, I've been swept along too easily with polarising ideas and then looked around and realised things had gone to shit while I'd been constructing identities and ideals and being scared of the loudest shouters. I'm at a point now where I just feel like the more I see the less I know.

She's getting support from a very diverse group of people:

twitter.com/ScreamOfficial/status/1328631714424483841

^ under that tweet somebody says terfs are the establishment!

I've no idea what the point of Owen Jones is any more. He used to be the voice of youth but now he's 36 and nearly twice the age of anyone currently at university that increaslingly doesn't apply any more. Having connections to the Corbyn leadership and Momentum was relevant before the 2019 General Election but now that Keir Starmer is in charge and Owen's mates are on the back benches, that's no longer a USP either. John Harris and Helen Pidd between them do the Red Wall stuff about the places Labour need to win back. Is Owen the voice of grumpy aging millenials who are still really annoyed about Tony Blair and Iraq?

I noticed Polly Toynbee's tweet, too. They'll be going for her jugular next.

[quote nauticant]She's getting support from a very diverse group of people:

twitter.com/ScreamOfficial/status/1328631714424483841[/quote]
Interesting!

primal scream! that is awesome!

@RealityNotEssentialism

Hoxton not Horton!

Thanks ...I was a bit confused. Hoxton used to be a rough old spot where you'd be proud to say you got mugged -- as Alexi Sayle said of Stoke Newington . Just as dodgy now by the sound of it ..

My Dad lived in Hoxton as a child. Wasn't many hotels and trendy coffee shops around then!

I hope she writes a book now!

@IDanielRadcliffe

^ under that tweet somebody says terfs are the establishment!

They need to look at the Bank of England all lit up for trans visibility this week.

Can’t see them flying an ‘Adult Human Female’ flag any time soon, so it’s pretty clear terves aren’t the establishment!

Primal Scream? Nice one Bobby and I'm not just saying that because I fancy you.

@midgebabe

Does private eye have a noticeable political leaning/bias?

@midgebabe I've read Private Eye for the best part of 30 years and I would say no (ish). They call out incompetence and cronyism when they see it - so usually more to focus on wrt whichever party is currently in government. I say (ish) as they came out very strongly pro-Remain. Private Eye is great. Covers a wide range of topics and is hilarious. They've been very vocal on the hypocrisy of the Left towards JK. They also cover Big Tech and data privacy really well. It's proper investigate journalism and campaigns against injustices (like the Post Office IT System scandal). It's brilliant.

*investigative journalism 🤦🏻‍♀️

@ArabellaScott

Primal Scream? Nice one Bobby and I'm not just saying that because I fancy you.

Bobby Gillespie once bought me a beer smug face

I say bought ME a beer, but what really happened was I bamboozled him into giving it to me.

Scenario:
1990s London
Pretty, long haired man standing alone by the bar in a trendy Smithfield’s venue, holding a beer in each hand.

Young Betty, brimming with confidence (but no cash) walks up, looks him dead in the eye and says, brightly ‘Ooh, is one of those for me? Thanks!’

Pretty long haired man compliantly hands over bottle, young Betty clinks it against his remaining beer, says ‘Cheers!’ and scuttles back to friendship group before he has a chance to change his mind.

Friend asks ‘Where did you get that beer from?’

Betty points at pretty, long haired man...

Friends, in unison ‘That man is Bobby Gillespie of
Primal Scream’

Betty drinks beer.

(and eventually types story on Mumsnet over 20 years later)

What a fucking mess. The Guardian needs more journalists like Suzanne Moore, not less.

Honestly, the Guardian’s senior management needs to take a very long hard look at themselves and working culture they are leading when their staff get up petitions against each other’s politics. WTF.
Loving The Scream getting involved..

Nice work Betty

How many paying readers will they lose by trampling on women's rights ?
bearing in mind that young woke folk get their news on Facebook and Instagram and twitter

I'm a bit jealous, Betty.

What a disaster. I could just about continue to consider the Guardian an actual newspaper because they still had some journalists who dared to cling to reality. The way they're going they will just become a tragic mouthpiece for a dangerous ideology.

I've known Kath Viner in the past, long time ago so I can't say what she's like now, but she struck me as someone who wants to be seen as in with the cool kids. She's allowed wokery to come before critical thinking capacity or even the concept of debate.

Like others I've abandoned the Guardian now and I read the Times, the TELEGRAPH! and the i, plus tabloids if I find them in a cafe or whatever. The Sun has always had some good journalists and writers, and the DM while being appalling in many ways, is good on science.

I'm still left wing and feminist. The Telegraph is eye-poppingly elitist and if I buy the Times I know I'm adding to Murdoch's millions. But the experience of reading a range of different views, written by people who understand coherent argument and logical thought processes, is so refreshing.

the DM while being appalling in many ways, is good on science.

Sorry, as a research scientist, I'm scraping my jaw off the floor at this one. It isn't. It really isn't. It scaremongers, it gets fringe figures to comment on areas of science where it doesn't like the peer reviewed science for political reasons (climate change, for example).

In some respects, I don't like the DM bashing on here - it has done some genuine campaigning journalism, and broken stories other papers wouldn't touch (I think they broke the Rotherham child abuse scandal, for example). But science is definitely not one of its strong points. Or medicine.