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Suzanne Moore left the Guardian

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DialSquare · 16/11/2020 16:59

I've just seen this on Twitter. That'll be even more lost readers then. Not that I'm one of their readers.

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SunsetBeetch · 07/12/2020 10:57

Sorry don't know what happened to my text there. Good interview on Unheard wits Suzanne.

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SunsetBeetch · 07/12/2020 10:46
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SmallPug · 25/11/2020 19:09

@FirstClassFlightHome

Can her and Jenni Murray set up some sort of media outlet?

Or resurrect Spare Rib? God knows we need it more than ever. It would be fab to have our own paper.

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HecatesCats · 25/11/2020 18:58

Twitter: home of nuance!

My favourite reply:

This article gets worse the more I hear about it and I haven’t even read it. The frak?

That's got to be a joke, right?

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RealityNotEssentialism · 25/11/2020 18:31

Yes I agree. And there’s no way if you read that that you would think that she was using those words herself to describe people. But the Twitter mob really don’t like examining things in context. There’s less to be outraged about if you have to look at what people actually said.

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ScribblingPixie · 25/11/2020 18:28

@RealityNotEssentialism, No sorry, I'm having the stupidest day. Quote marks, she used quote marks so it was clear that she was detailing race-related and misogynistic abuse that was sent to her.
I think it's quite right that the writer should give accurate information without any risk of ambivalence. Then it's an editorial decision whether to use asterisks.

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DidoLamenting · 25/11/2020 18:24

Suzanne did put asterisks in in her article though - it couldn't have been clearer

Not on the version I'm looking at. The words are typed out in full.

I appreciate they are out to get her but isn't the convention on MN that when using those words , in any context, that asterisks or "the n- word" is used? It wasn't the wisest choice to use them in full.

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RealityNotEssentialism · 25/11/2020 18:19

@ScribblingPixie no there were no asterisks in the article. Unless you’re referring to a different one. I believe the decision is ultimately the editor’s though so it’s not necessarily SM’s call.

As for banning To Kill a Mockingbird, I have no words. It’s so scary that people can’t see what’s happening.

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SophocIestheFox · 25/11/2020 18:14

They recently banned To Kill a Mockingbird in California schools

What a blow against racism! They must be dead proud.

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ScribblingPixie · 25/11/2020 18:13

@OnOvarit

Oh for fucks sake. Do these ninnies really think Suzanne Moore goes around calling people these things? Are they actually that lost to reason?

No, I think they're Americans and they believe it's racist not to put asterisks in. That kind of thing has escalated a lot over there. They recently banned To Kill a Mockingbird in California schools.

Suzanne did put asterisks in in her article though - it couldn't have been clearer.
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OnOvarit · 25/11/2020 17:43

Oh for fucks sake. Do these ninnies really think Suzanne Moore goes around calling people these things? Are they actually that lost to reason?

No, I think they're Americans and they believe it's racist not to put asterisks in. That kind of thing has escalated a lot over there. They recently banned To Kill a Mockingbird in California schools.

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DreadPirateLuna · 25/11/2020 17:41

"Apart from "whore" the slurs are racial epithets aimed at social groups that Moore isn't."

But she wasn't called (racial epithet), she was called (racial epithet)- lover, which is usually aimed at white people who are deemed "race traitors".

They sound like the kind of people who would ban "Huckleberry Finn" for using the n-word without considering the context that it was a criticism of racism.

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SophocIestheFox · 25/11/2020 17:41

Oh, was that the fuck-me shoes incident? I’d completely forgotten about that - no bad thing, to be honest, sounds like a silly spat with fault on both sides. And, yes, not very relevant here.

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RealityNotEssentialism · 25/11/2020 17:29

@DidoLamenting

Greer wrote something about Moore's bird's nest hair, fat cleavage and fuck me shoes.

It was in response to Moore alleging Greer had had a hysterectomy at age 25 because Greer didn't want children (untrue on both accounts according to Greer and a pretty nasty thing to say)

And also even if someone wants to do that, what’s the problem? I sort of wish that Germaine had raised that in her response too - that nobody has any right to shame another person for choosing not to have children. It’s a hell of a lot more responsible than parents who have kids because that’s what people are supposed to do and leave them with emotional scars because they don’t really want to be parents. However, as it was so long ago and as Germaine has also said many inappropriate things along the way, I don’t think it’s that relevant to the issue of Suzanne’s exit from the Guardian.
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DidoLamenting · 25/11/2020 17:15

Greer wrote something about Moore's bird's nest hair, fat cleavage and fuck me shoes.

It was in response to Moore alleging Greer had had a hysterectomy at age 25 because Greer didn't want children (untrue on both accounts according to Greer and a pretty nasty thing to say)

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RealityNotEssentialism · 25/11/2020 17:09

@Defaultname

The comment

"Apart from "whore" the slurs are racial epithets aimed at social groups that Moore isn't."

is a bit doubtfui.

Well, lucky she wasn’t the one who used them then! She just reported what others said to her and they said them because she was fighting for the rights of those groups
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How can you expose other people’s hatred and intolerance if you refuse to recount what they say and do to you?

I’m surprised they didn’t say she couldn’t say whore too, seeing as she’s only a cis woman after all.

I think the womb spat was that a very long time ago, SM said that GG had a hysterectomy at 25 in order to be sterilised (don’t think most would pick that over tube tying unless they had to but okay). GG objected to this and said it was untrue and also called SM a number of misogynistic names in retaliation. I think it happened in the 80s or 90s so very long ago.
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HecatesCats · 25/11/2020 16:33

Utterly predictable, Twitter is your go-to for zero context outrage.

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Defaultname · 25/11/2020 16:12

The comment

"Apart from "whore" the slurs are racial epithets aimed at social groups that Moore isn't."

is a bit doubtfui.

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Butterer · 25/11/2020 16:10

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SophocIestheFox · 25/11/2020 16:09

Oh for fucks sake. Do these ninnies really think Suzanne Moore goes around calling people these things? Are they actually that lost to reason?

I don’t recall a spat about wombs, longwayoff, can you expand on what you mean there?

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RealityNotEssentialism · 25/11/2020 15:55

Yes, they are. They seem incapable of understanding that these were insults levelled at her, not evidence of racism.

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dolorsit · 25/11/2020 15:46

@RealityNotEssentialism

Shame that they printed the racial slurs in full in Suzanne’s brilliant article. Now the woke Twitter brigade are accusing her of being a racist as well.

They're calling her racist because she quotes the slurs that combat 18 aimed at her?

They are really not very bright.
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DidoLamenting · 25/11/2020 15:40

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

I can't see Lilla's tweet as they have blocked me.

Who on earth is Lilla and how did I upset them?

Same here. I have a twitter account- I've never ever actually tweeted.
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RealityNotEssentialism · 25/11/2020 13:24

Shame that they printed the racial slurs in full in Suzanne’s brilliant article. Now the woke Twitter brigade are accusing her of being a racist as well.

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longwayoff · 25/11/2020 12:56

Do I recall correctly that Suzanne Moore's career was greatly boosted by her spat about wombs with Germaine Greer? Hmm.

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