Irish Labour senator uses TERF as a slur

[XXSex]

How offensive.

“TERFs can go suck coal” apparently
twitter.com/hoeyannie/status/1315326910453383170?s=21

I read somewhere in relation to the Trevor Philips article, that a lot of this 'wokery' has a lot to do a 'performative' gesture rather than really act to change something. That is what I feel is being done wrt women and girls. Certainly with example of the continuing lack of respect to the people who were part of the wrongs in mother and baby homes etc by the State conveniently sealing investigations. Didn't our 'progressive' (men's rights?) friend Roderic intimate it was for everyones own good. So the real problem is that he 'had to do better' and the real failure was how it was all communicated. Nah, it was the lack respect for citizens' rights and accountability of the State. A lack of a right after a wrong. Good to have such paternalism still. Not much of an attitude has really changed there.

So, to get back to the performative gesture, just sneak an act through which virtue signals to the world that Ireland is real progressive. An act on which no impact or large public consultation had been carried out. If there was respect for women as full citizens with rights, then there wouldn't be a situation where a male who particularly wants to rape and murder women and girls would have been put amongst them at this person's own request. Such respect for the rights of those women and girls who can't keep themselves out of harms way in this potentially threatening situation.

The state is again ignoring the very real impact and relative disproportionate disbenefits to women and girls. That 85% male Dáil were fine to do it to the women and girls of the country. And they simultaneously engage in the performative 'Boo' at the wrongs done under the old Ideology.

Also, this newly adopted Ideology is a weapon to turn the tables and disempower women and girls again. 'Oh women, you're not at the bottom of the pile. You're so much more privileged than some males'. Yes, the 85% male Dáil could see it from that point of view. That it was very wrong for all females not to be lower down the pecking order in relation to rights than the wishes of any male.

Rant over. Feeling quite cross.

www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40070054.html

Also, maybe the Board of Managements and the Parents' Associations of your local schools.

I'd certainly outline how girls would be put at a disadvantage and disproportionately adversely affected relative to boys. After all the scandals, there was a conversation and moves towards safeguarding. Is this all to be circumvented if say a teacher/tutor/instructor or anyone self IDs?

I'd be very annoyed if my offspring were being taught an ideology without acknowledging that some people regard the content as opinion, retrogressive and damaging. And simply not scientific fact.

@XXSex

BeLonGTo. The capitals are for LGBT

GRMA..I actually would never have guessed. Off topic but it's doing my head in lately. Swim Ireland. Or Fáilte Ireland. Illiterate in two languages. Belong To then are filling the role of Stonewall here? I will email my TD - although nothing cuts through around here except GAA. But I will impress on him that GRA is not going to be a vote winner.

"although nothing cuts through around here except GAA. But I will impress on him that GRA is not going to be a vote winner."

The thing is that even organisations such as the GAA are impacted by this. At present if girls are on a team with male trainers, training cannot take place unless a woman is present. Safeguarding is very strictly adhered to.Male trainers cannot enter female changing rooms without a woman present (obviously not while they are getting changed) This protects both trainers and children.
So if biological males avail of Self ID to become legally female how does this work, both for players and trainers?
Are biological males who self ID allowed play and change with girls.
Can a transwoman enter a girls changing room?
It leaves a lot of safeguarding policies in a grey area.

@Weatherwarning

"although nothing cuts through around here except GAA. But I will impress on him that GRA is not going to be a vote winner."

The thing is that even organisations such as the GAA are impacted by this. At present if girls are on a team with male trainers, training cannot take place unless a woman is present. Safeguarding is very strictly adhered to.Male trainers cannot enter female changing rooms without a woman present (obviously not while they are getting changed) This protects both trainers and children.
So if biological males avail of Self ID to become legally female how does this work, both for players and trainers?
Are biological males who self ID allowed play and change with girls.
Can a transwoman enter a girls changing room?
It leaves a lot of safeguarding policies in a grey area.

The GAA is being “educated”. June 2020

www.gaa.ie/news/lgbtqi-community-encouraged-to-participate-in-gaelic-games/

“The Gender Diversity Working Group was established last year to look at the promotion of gender diversity and includes members of each of our Gaelic Games Associations and indeed external people that we've invited in as well,”

They state that they may have to look at their rule wording apparently.

Does anyone have anybody high up in GAA who might be able to share their current thinking? Would out be worthwhile sending World Rugby’s findings to them?

Not high up in the gaa, no. The one person I do know who is heavily involved running local GAA stuff (with some involvement on at county level) has told me the higher-ups are watching what's happening in rugby and are far more supportive of the World Rugby ruling (TW shouldn't play women's rugby for safety reasons) than the IRFU position (it all depends on testosterone levels).

The GAA is not chasing virtue cookies - it doesn't need to (unlike the IRFU and its image problem regarding rape culture).

Not to say that all is rosy in the gaa either, but they don't seem as desperate for validation as some other sporting bodies.

Yes. When my ds was registering for his rugby club this year gender identity was one of the boxes ticked. I did wonder what would they do if a 14 year old biological female had wanted to play on the boys team. I doubt they had the insurance policy to cover this but maybe they did. I think it was a standard form for all club as I don't think the local club would consider themselves woke.
GAA had none of this. But extending the GRA to 16 to 18 years old might compel them to do so. Boys never play girls once they get past under 12 after that girls play for LGFA not GAA. I think they are a completely separate group. Encouraging girls to continue in sports once they become teenagers is very important and I would hate to see gender identity take priority over the needs of girls. But based on what is happening in Limerick prison, I feel girls will be expected to accommodate this.

Jesus I'm mad again now.

Just wrote a long letter destined for some senators. Keeping it in drafts til I cool down and read it with a calmer head. Real name email 😱 jesus it shouldn't be something to think about, raising a safeguarding issue with elected representatives

Think about all the scandals of the past and how everybody was distancing themselves about what happened to women and girls. Safeguarding and Kilkenny Reports etc, etc, etc. Things were going to change so much. Now they can get on with their dumping on women and girls again and make loopholes in the safeguarding because happily it is in fashion and even more progressive to tread on the rights of women and girls again. The intervening bit can all be forgotten.

Performative progress to discomfort women and girls and push us right back into our seat at the back. I personally would have hated male students or male teachers in communal changing rooms, irrespective of how they identified. I would have avoided sports like the plague.

Performative progress excellent terminology that captures it perfectly.

@XXSex
Teni seem very excited about making the GAA more inclusive. After the age of 12 girls and women have always been excluded based on sex. This is done for the very obvious risk of girls and women playing boys and men. So if the GAA suddenly allow trans men or boys to play you would have to wonder what has changed. The risks surely would be unchanged.
Of course, even if trans men and boys play GAA the chance of them making a team would be minimal. GAA from under 14 up is very, very competitive.
But if GAA becomes gender diverse the the LGFA would be under huge pressure to follow suit. But transwoman and girls would be stronger players and it would be biological females that would lose out.
I would be surprised if these 2 organisations would be happy with these changes and I would expect that the World Rugby ruling would be the route they would follow. But who knows? I would never have thought anyone would have thought it fair that biological males would play on women's teams, but that is happening in many countries.

Sport should be, and often is, what drags the ideology into the sunlight and exposure to common sense.

I hope the GAA comes good.

@3timeslucky

Sport should be, and often is, what drags the ideology into the sunlight and exposure to common sense.

I hope the GAA comes good.

The GAA is still an amateur body. The beauty of this is they can't be financially threatened. They don't care what Body Shop thinks of their rules.

Why was my question asking has anyone heard back from the Labour Party deleted? I haven’t received any email from Mumsbet about it?
waves to Senator Hoey

@XXOnly

Why was my question asking has anyone heard back from the Labour Party deleted? I haven’t received any email from Mumsbet about it? waves to Senator Hoey

They don't email you when they delete a post. Which is a bit odd really, as if they actually wanted to ensure people adhered to the guidelines, they would send an email to tell you to read them.

The fact that Labour are silent gives the impression that they agree with and support Annie Hoey in her tweet.
The GRA for 16 to 18 year old is going through the Senate, and that Senator Hoeys tweet stands does not give confidence that Labour are interested in looking at the potential impact on women and girls.
Labour were almost wiped out in the last election, if they want to rebuild they need to show they are actually listening, not dismiss women with genuine concerns as trans phobic.

They don't always send you an email. I didn't get to read the post, so can't suggest anything. Sometimes, I don't quite get how something factual, truthful or a personal opinion is censored, but it can be.

It is important that all State agencies are aware that we see them this time as they weaken safeguarding and create situations which make Irish women and girls ever more vulnerable. Indeed whatever safeguarding was brought in on foot of the horror of the historical abuses cases, the Oireachtas are now dismantling by creating exceptions and exemptions.

You can just see a similarity of the actors at the moment with the behaviour and lack of consideration for the rights of women which gave rise to the past scandals. And, try the attempt to suppress or shout down any attempt to raise the alarm while signalling their own purity and piety in this new ideology; like those of the last one. They'd be the very same types who would have told women that they were disgraceful (like Terfs) and they should be ashamed of themselves for casting any aspersions on the entirely wonderful and thoroughly decent men of the Church.

Another day, another ideology. Both emanating from foreign shores, by the way. A point which seems to be unacknowledged by their luvvies.

My post was 2 sentences long, asking has anyone heard back from Labour Party and then asking can we take it that they agree TERFS can go suck coal. Reasonable questions, surely?

I haven’t heard back from them.

In the meantime here is an article about Senator Hoey dressing as cartoon characters. You can see pictures of the Senator in our Houses of the Oireachtas dressed as Barney the purple dinosaur etc.

No, I am not joking. This is the calibre of the Labour Party.

www.irishmirror.ie/news/weird-news/irish-senator-annie-hoey-channels-22949438

“The Drogheda native said her efforts livened up proceedings in the Seanad for the month – though she was quick to admit that the entire House wasn't aware.

"It was funny, you'd go into the chamber, and someone would say across the chamber, 'who are you today?'

I remember when the Irish Labour Party had its roots in trade unionism and concerned itself with the pay, rights and conditions of ordinary workers. Not self indulgent privileged wank like this. Jim Larkin must be turning in his fucking grave.

@irishfeminist

I remember when the Irish Labour Party had its roots in trade unionism and concerned itself with the pay, rights and conditions of ordinary workers. Not self indulgent privileged wank like this. Jim Larkin must be turning in his fucking grave.

Agree!

I think this Senator is the most openly misogynist from their ranks though? At least publically? Or have there been similar statements from others?

I would have had a lot of time for the Labour Party but they have really damaged themselves by condoning this behaviour.