They wants to be mummy

[InTheShadowOfTheMushroomCloud]

Words fail me...

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The gender stereotypes are strong with this one

Oh I get it. If you want to term yourself a mother for biological reasons, that’s bigoted, but if you want to “identify” as a mother in a vague, stereotypical way, you’re progressive.

The identity has value but only if it’s taken up by someone that wouldn’t normally have it.

Using they/them for unspecified individuals of unknown sex is actually perfectly standard and has been in common usage for centuries. You can find examples in Shakespeare. You just use the words as normal eg 'they want'. Tbh I think it's so normal that we only notice it when a person of known sex makes a fuss about wanting to use it.

thanks Errol , and I may be being obtuse here but if someone is in front of you, you would either use their name when talking about them in their presence (I was always taught never to refer to someone by 'she' or 'he' if they were in earshot as it is rude) or 'you' when talking directly to them.

When these issues are brought up by people like Sam Smith, it sounds like the 'misgendering' (he/him) is being done by people in Sam's presence so he has to be super patient and 'deal' with them but am I misunderstanding and Sam Smith is only meaning the people that refer to Sam as he/him when Sam is not there (OMG this is a bloody hard sentence to write!!) in which case, presumably Sam has staff checking up on what people say when Sam is not there? (if I used 'they/them' in this sentence it would make it even harder to understand imo).

Or is Sam just concerned about stuff written about Sam (so it comes within the normal copy approval) in which case Sam doesn't have someone reporting back to him re. misgendering and would have no knowledge about what is said about Sam when Sam is not there?

So I guess I mean, how do you use someone's pronouns when talking TO that person? (or is it blindingly obvious and my brain has been totally fried by the whole pronouns thing and has now sprung some springs?)

Smith added that they have developed a lot of patience since coming out as non-binary and dealing with people who mistakenly call them by “he/him” pronouns.

The comments are gold though!

They is an attention seeking narcissist, best ignored

Helmetbymidnight

I saw that, female breasts and thighs . Then it was pointed out on Twitter that pictures of Sam topless don't have the horrifically offensive female nipple and breast blurred out. Wonder why it could be...

.. pictures of Sam topless don't have the horrifically offensive female nipple and breast blurred out. Wonder why it could be...

😂

@gardenbird48 wouldn't you normally use someone's name first, and then pronouns after that? Otherwise a longer sentence can start to sound a bit odd.

"Amy told me earlier that she has finished her report, could you please give us a quick overview now Amy?

"Amy told me earlier that Amy has finished Amy's report, could you please give us a quick overview now Amy?

He meant for Halloween surely

@SkaraBrae

In the context of the sentence (watching them grow, being there every day) I assume they meant take the traditional role of the nurturing SAHM parent- usually the 'mummy'. Ironically strongly reinforcing gender stereotypes they claim to have rejected.

Actually, from what I've seen of Sam Smith, his whole schtick is that he's completely focused on gender stereotypes and it's why he doesn't want to be considered a man - he originally came out as non binary because he "dances like a woman".

I dance like a donkey. No comment.

gardenbird48

No, your brain isn't fried. Third-person pronouns are used to speak about someone. They do come a little bit into play during group conversation, like so.

Robin: [something astute]
David: [something stupid]
Mary: Can we go back to what Robin was saying? She seems like she had a really good point there and I'd like to hear more from her.

But I think that various people have adopted pronouns as a rallying cry, who never much grasped what the pronoun issue was about.

You're not supposed to be addressing people by their 3rd person pronouns! In a one-to-one situation, you shouldn't require them, and if you do, that's rude.

because he "dances like a woman".

Does this mean MC Hammer is really a crab? 😲

Sam Smith dances like a Grandad on speed. They filmed it during lockdown.

Are the Bangles Egyptian?

They is blaming London for not being able to meet someone... erm... yep.. that's the reason mate

Not one in a population of 13 million... they need to look again at the bait on that hook.

Is Kevin from Grimsby actually a fox then? Because he can dance the foxtrot

The “To Die For” singer also said they would like a partner first, adding that it is difficult to meet people in London.

Fuck me, I literally cannot think of an easier place to meet people than in the capital of bloody England

Sam is walking proof of how unacceptable it now is to be a feminine gay man, and that’s sad.

Sure babe, are you going to be doing the bulk of feeding, changing nappies, dealing with poonamies and projectile vomit, 24/7 childcare, driving to endless activities, dealing with school and GPs and taking the blame if anything goes wrong? All that for a pay cut, no sleep and little thanks? Welcome! I'll spare you incontinence, mastitis and related delights, we'll keep that for the surrogate person.

Hagrid called himself "Mummy" to Norbert in Harry Potter.

I think in the pronouns, I'd find it easier to understand with the word ze, to be honest. I know we use "they" if we don't know somebody's sex, but you're more likely to use the name/job title more than just "they/their". With Sam, the person writing the article has just replaced sex-based pronouns with they/them and it isn't naturally how you'd speak if you truly had no idea whether a person was male or female.

We're just glossing over this bloody gem of a comment:
“I want to be with the kids and I want to watch them grow and be with them every day. I want to be mummy.”
"Smith continued: “I'm definitely going to do that at some point, but I've still got more in me. I've still got ambition."

Mothers, cast your ambition into the fire. It has been proclaimed, you can't be mummy AND have career ambitions.

So what have we learnt so far. Mummy's have fat thighs, no ambition, dance like Sam Smith and interests include watching children grow and being all 'nuturey'. Ah nice to be schooled in the ways of women once more

28?!? Wow, the lifestyle has caught up fast!

Also all this talk of having "girl's" note girl's not women's, girls breasts and thighs sounds very Ed Gein to me, grim.

But honestly this person needds an intervention, they seem very unwell, its sad when artist who start off with so much promise end up damaged by fame.