BBC Bitsize - Pronouns

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I mean I'm not surprised but Bitesize is used by schools through the country as a supposed reliable, unbiased source of education material.

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You can complain here:

www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints/make-a-complaint

Or email your MP and cc MPs Safe Schools Alliance on info@safeschoolsallianceuk.

In the tweet thread there are some people already complaining. I'm not a defund the BBC kind of person but I can see why license fee layers are questioning what the BBC are doing with their money (there is a website 'BBC complaints' that's all about biased Brexit coverage).

if women genuinely cared that much they'd be out on the streets like they are for climate change protests, BLM, social spending cuts and even pro trans rights

You may have noticed the protest marches achieve very little. You may have missed the huge grassroots movement of thousands of women all of whom care, and who are fighting for their rights in more intelligent ways, papers in journals, government committees, media stories, seminars, writing to MPs etc. Women cared enough to stop the Westminster government enacting self ID for example...

"Most of you lot are too terrified to tweet in your own names in case someone from HR has a quiet word or some friends are socially disapproving."

Don't forget the fact that when women speak up about this they get rape threats. I remember when JK Rowling expressed the most anodyne of opinions and was told to go choke on a dick. Maybe if the trans rights side loosened the boots off our necks we would be happier to go out and protest and speak publicly about this.

@Whatwouldscullydo

if women genuinely cared that much they'd be out on the streets like they are for climate change protests, BLM, social spending cuts and even pro trans rights

What rights are you lacking besides access to half naked women and girls?

The right not to be discriminated against in jobs, housing and services based on our gender identity or presentation, the right to adequate healthcare specific to trans needs, the right to be able to use spaces like toilets and changing rooms without risk of harassment or assault, the right to legal recognition of our gender, the right to be safe in the streets and in the workplace etc etc

You have all those rights like everyone else does.

What entitles you to the sex based rights of women if someone is born male ?

Oh and if you want better health care then stop changing sex markers at the drs... sex matters in medicine

@WeeBisom

"Most of you lot are too terrified to tweet in your own names in case someone from HR has a quiet word or some friends are socially disapproving."

Don't forget the fact that when women speak up about this they get rape threats. I remember when JK Rowling expressed the most anodyne of opinions and was told to go choke on a dick. Maybe if the trans rights side loosened the boots off our necks we would be happier to go out and protest and speak publicly about this.

I condemn without reservation the misogynist abuse that all women receive online. But you seriously think BLM campaigners, climate change campaigners or even trans rights campaigners don't get that too? Have you seen Dawn Butler's mentions, or Ash Sarkars? Women have literally been murdered for standing up to the far right. The same far right that some gender critical activists seem happy to court incidentally.

Whats far right about sex based protections?

I mean you want ours so you cant be against them?

Why do you need 'legal recognition of your gender'?

It's of no interest to anyone else.

I'm an old goth. I know literally dozens of male people who present in a 'feminine' way when they're going to a gig or a club. & yes, any number of them have been hassled or even assaulted for it whilst travelling to or from an event.

The men who were hostile or aggressive to a bloke in a frilly blouse & eyeliner weren't concerned with his gender. They just didn't like what they saw as effeminacy.

Campaign for greater acceptance for people who dress in an unusual way, sure - SOPHIE have done great work on this. But a legally recognised 'gender' is simply a legal fiction, & unlike adoption, say, it's of very little benefit to anyone - unless of course you happen to be a man who doesn't like women having boundaries & their own spaces.

The right not to be discriminated against in jobs, housing and services based on our gender identity or presentation, the right to adequate healthcare specific to trans needs, the right to be able to use spaces like toilets and changing rooms without risk of harassment or assault, the right to legal recognition of our gender, the right to be safe in the streets and in the workplace etc etc

You already have those rights. The right you don't have is to appropriate all the sex based rights of the opposite sex.

The right not to be discriminated against in jobs housing and services based on our gender identity or presentation

everyone has this

right to adequate healthcare specific to trans needs

come on. this is definitely a thing

the right to be able to use spaces like toilets and changing rooms without risk of harassment or assault

you have this, everyone has this

the right to legal recognition of our gender

what the fuck does this mean? what do you want, a party?

the right to be safe in the streets and in the workplace etc etc

you have this. everyone has this

happy days JJ. all your wishes have been granted. now you can leave women alone

Most of you lot are too terrified to tweet in your own names in case someone from HR has a quiet word

So do you tweet in your own name? If not, why not?

You do realise that some women on here need their jobs and can't afford to be fired for voicing unpopular opinions, don't you?

@jj1968

Barrel and bottom of.

It's true I'm afraid. A lot of women in the sector are really pissed off with you. They think you're distracting from the true problems facing the sector which is the funding crisis, putting survivors at risk by creating unnecessary fears and are deeply insulted that you think they would put women at risk when few of you know anything about how the sector actually operates

Will this torrent of spite on this thread never stop?

Most of you lot are too terrified to tweet in your own names in case someone from HR has a quiet word

Thank you for conceding the point that TRAs have created such a climate of fear that women are frightened of speaking out about the wrongness of male rapists in women's prisons or male competitors in women's sports for fear that they will lose their livelihoods for airing a political opinion which accords with current UK law in an area which directly affects them in what is supposedly a democratic society which values freedom of expression.

Always useful to have it clearly spelled out as to where a poster stands on the authoritarian enforcement of Orwellian thought crimes.

@Melroses

Why is it a safeguarding issue to accept people for who they are?

We no longer accept that nice man that turns up on the doorstep and asks to come in and explain your water meter to you without prior appointment with the water company and a verifiable id. This is because too many people have learned the hard way, and you can't put things right after the event.

Teaching young people to take anyone at face value without considering their own needs is undoing this.

THIS

"Have you seen Dawn Butler's mentions, or Ash Sarkars? Women have literally been murdered for standing up to the far right. The same far right that some gender critical activists seem happy to court incidentally."

I"m grateful that you at least concede that trans activists are like the far right in terms of how they treat women online.

Most of you lot are too terrified to tweet in your own names in case someone from HR has a quiet word

HR are not interested in having a quiet word about this.

Jj you're determined to push male born individuals into our spaces, whilst ignoring the transwomen who predate on women in those spaces and calling them the victims, and claiming that hardly any thing would happen anyway as there are so few, but they are in so much danger, whilst acknowledging that it's women who are threatened with violence and rape just for speaking about it?

And everyone is against you and hates you, and rape refuges hate their clients but actually, no one cares, least of all most women. And you have all the demands you have asked for, but still want to harangue women over rights that aren't yours, but you want anyway.

Seriously? I mean, you're not the best communicator in the world, but this is another level of contradictory, incoherence.

@jj1968

Barrel and bottom of.

It's true I'm afraid. A lot of women in the sector are really pissed off with you. They think you're distracting from the true problems facing the sector which is the funding crisis, putting survivors at risk by creating unnecessary fears and are deeply insulted that you think they would put women at risk when few of you know anything about how the sector actually operates

'...and then the women at the refuge gave me a hand picked bouquet of beautiful roses donated by grateful children whose lives I had touched. And spontaneously they all broke into a rousing chorus of 'You are my Sunshine'. And at the end someone shouted 'Three cheers for jj - but not for FWR, those witches can burn!''

Mary Sue narrative.

No it reflects the fact that trans women, as in those who have actually transitioned, make up a tiny percentage of people in the UK.

Because groups like Stonewall refuse to define 'transition', its impossible to say what it means to be trans in the UK or how many people are trans.

“You lot” - is that not a sweeping generalisation and NITS...? It’s featured quite a lot here, as JJ tells us what “you lot” really think, and what “you lot” really want.

I’ll tell you what it’s definitely not, though, and that is the hallmark of a respectful, engaged debate.

But of course, no doubt that’s all the fault of feminists too, along with climate change, rubbish interest rates, and that time the milk went off, even though there were still three days until the use by date.

@SophocIestheFox

“You lot” - is that not a sweeping generalisation and NITS...? It’s featured quite a lot here, as JJ tells us what “you lot” really think, and what “you lot” really want.

I’ll tell you what it’s definitely not, though, and that is the hallmark of a respectful, engaged debate.

That crossed my mind too, but I'm not reporting as (a) free speech n'all that and (b) I think it's more informative to let such posts stand.

and that time the milk went off, even though there were still three days until the use by date.

Evil old witches turning your milk sour since 1693.

A lot of women in the sector are really pissed off with you. They think you're distracting from the true problems facing the sector which is the funding crisis, putting survivors at risk by creating unnecessary fears and are deeply insulted that you think they would put women at risk when few of you know anything about how the sector actually operates

And many women who run refuges disagree and say that they would not be able to run their refuges without current laws that allow sex specific services.

Given that there is no law that prevents the set up of unisex refuges, its difficult to understand why single sex refuges should be seen as a problem, or why women should be setting up all the refuges.

Most of you lot are too terrified to tweet in your own names in case someone from HR has a quiet word

Sacked. You know that. Sacked for knowing the difference between a man and a woman.

Not that long ago a woman had her home address posted to a group of frothing transactivists, and they were threatening to turn up to her house to 'sort her out' whilst she was alone with her young children.

You know exactly why we won't use our own names. Given that many women are sadly all too familiar with male violence, it's to keep ourselves safe from vicious extremists who despise women and love to rule by fear.