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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

BBC Bitsize - Pronouns

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OhHolyJesus · 22/10/2020 09:27

I mean I'm not surprised but Bitesize is used by schools through the country as a supposed reliable, unbiased source of education material.

mobile.twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1319025713475952641?fbclid=IwAR0rTBD2j5PKOeTKvYSSX90c4RUDmJDo7Zg613qnDBXNaAncv3J8epYWLSQ

You can complain here:

www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints/make-a-complaint

Or email your MP and cc MPs Safe Schools Alliance on info@safeschoolsallianceuk.

In the tweet thread there are some people already complaining. I'm not a defund the BBC kind of person but I can see why license fee layers are questioning what the BBC are doing with their money (there is a website 'BBC complaints' that's all about biased Brexit coverage).

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Aesopfable · 23/10/2020 15:28

@jj1968

Barrel and bottom of.

It's true I'm afraid. A lot of women in the sector are really pissed off with you. They think you're distracting from the true problems facing the sector which is the funding crisis, putting survivors at risk by creating unnecessary fears and are deeply insulted that you think they would put women at risk when few of you know anything about how the sector actually operates

When you say ‘women’ in this context, who are you referring to?
Datun · 23/10/2020 15:28

You heard it here first, folks. Women wanting to stop men violating their boundaries in rape refuges and homeless shelters are acting against themselves.

Nothing to do with dead rats on doors, defunding for non-compliance, naked men taking selfies in the mirror and throwing things at the women, or masturbating to porn in beds next to them.

No sireee.

jj1968 · 23/10/2020 15:29

@TeatimeAtCloppa

JJ it matters not that you think TW are not a threat. Women say NO to male bodied people in our spaces. It is so disgusting, that women are made to justify ourselves over and over for wanting single SEX spaces. Can't you see that when you ignore our NO, you are proving our need for them?
A very small number of women have said no, and they've said it decades after trans inclusion began. Most women couldn't care less, especially about toilets and changing rooms with cubicles.
NecessaryScene1 · 23/10/2020 15:30

Going back to a question on page 1:

What’s the problem with letting people know how to be inclusive?

Last few pages of this thread would be very educational for anyone still in any doubt about why there's an issue here. Sometimes a thread gets the sherpa it needs.

jj1968 · 23/10/2020 15:30

@Datun

You heard it here first, folks. Women wanting to stop men violating their boundaries in rape refuges and homeless shelters are acting against themselves.

Nothing to do with dead rats on doors, defunding for non-compliance, naked men taking selfies in the mirror and throwing things at the women, or masturbating to porn in beds next to them.

No sireee.

I'd be surprised if there's a single refuge in the UK that requires people to share rooms anymore, if they ever did. Shows how much you know.
ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 23/10/2020 15:31

Most women couldn't care less, especially about toilets and changing rooms with cubicles

Not true. Where polls have explained that a transwoman is a man who is trans, not a woman who is trans, women are against.

Aesopfable · 23/10/2020 15:31

A very small number of women have said no, and they've said it decades after trans inclusion began. Most women couldn't care less, especially about toilets and changing rooms with cubicles.

Again, when you say ‘women’ who are you referring to?

Datun · 23/10/2020 15:32

@PotholeParadies

How can it be that separate refuges for transwomen would be half-empty half of the time, and yet that the refuge sector is dependant on housing benefit claims for transwomen clients in order to stay open?

Confused

The same way a violent predator is actually the victim, and a woman who was harassed and her business threatened, is really the perpetrator.

Oh, oh and women who want to maintain sex segregation for themselves when they have been violently attacked by men are pissing themselves off.

What was the other one? Oh yes, people who use silly spellings that they know irritate women, are really aligning them selves with those women.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 23/10/2020 15:32

I would be interested to know what your experience of that sector is, jj1968. Do you work in a (traumatised women exclusionary) shelter, perhaps?

jj1968 · 23/10/2020 15:32

@PotholeParadies

How can it be that separate refuges for transwomen would be half-empty half of the time, and yet that the refuge sector is dependant on housing benefit claims for transwomen clients in order to stay open?

Confused

The refuge sector isn't dependent on trans women's HB claims. Refuges are funding by housing benefit and some statutory or local or charitable funding. A trans refuge would need to house enough women to generate enough revenue from HB to pay salaries etc. I'd be surprised if more than half a dozen trans women are housed in the refuge sector each year. A trans only refuge is not viable.
Datun · 23/10/2020 15:33

Shows how much you know.

Lol. I feel that deserves the response, no you're the carcass...

jj1968 · 23/10/2020 15:34

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

I would be interested to know what your experience of that sector is, jj1968. Do you work in a (traumatised women exclusionary) shelter, perhaps?
No, I did live in a mixed hostel for survivors when I was younger and then went on to work for over a decade in housing/homelessnes services, often working as a referral point for refuges or with marginalised survivors in other environments.
AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 23/10/2020 15:35

I'd be surprised if more than half a dozen trans women are housed in the refuge sector each year. A trans only refuge is not viable.

Doesn't that rather knock a hole in the suggestion that trans women are the most oppressed and most at risk group in the country?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 23/10/2020 15:37

Not true. Where polls have explained that a transwoman is a man who is trans, not a woman who is trans, women are against.

Just wanted to back up this statement:

fairplayforwomen.com/polldata/

I know some will disagree with the link, but the post links back to all of the original sources.

Swallowzandamazons · 23/10/2020 15:37

A very wise lady explained to me how I'd truly know when a relationship was over. She said it wasn't about the arguments, the infidelities or even the lies.

It's the contempt. Once contempt arrives, there's no return.

I see here someone who's showing utter contempt for women and their opinions, fears, worries, preferences, desires and needs.

This is exactly why we don't want males of any kind in our spaces. Contempt.

jj1968 · 23/10/2020 15:44

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

I'd be surprised if more than half a dozen trans women are housed in the refuge sector each year. A trans only refuge is not viable.

Doesn't that rather knock a hole in the suggestion that trans women are the most oppressed and most at risk group in the country?

No it reflects the fact that trans women, as in those who have actually transitioned, make up a tiny percentage of people in the UK.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2020 15:45

I'd be surprised if more than half a dozen trans women are housed in the refuge sector each year. A trans only refuge is not viable.

Then if it's such a small number, there can be other solutions which don't involve accommodation of males with vulnerable women, or women being forced to share counselling with males against their will.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2020 15:45

Again, what is "actual transitioning"?

Datun · 23/10/2020 15:48

Trans groups could easily fund a rape refuge. Vancouver rape refuge is self funded, now transactivists have successfully got government funding withdrawn.

It's not about the space.

Whatwouldscullydo · 23/10/2020 15:49

Doesn't that rather knock a hole in the suggestion that trans women are the most oppressed and most at risk group in the country?

Channel four fact check actually put them as the safest demographic in the UK.

In fact there are more in jail for murder than there are that have been murdered in the UK.

One murder is one too many obviously, however in some countries the murdering of women is so common it has its own name. Femicide.

There are millions of missing women from sex selective abortions and dunking baby girls on the trash heap

And then there's the thousands of indigenous women in Canada who just disappeared too.

And yet we are meant to believe that males who wish to embrace stereotypical traits of the opposite sex are the most oppressed in the world and not being able to expose yourself amongst unconsenting members of the opposite sex is the same as black people not even being able to sit down on a bus or enter a storeHmm

The sooner people stop believing this stuff the better

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 23/10/2020 15:50

No it reflects the fact that trans women, as in those who have actually transitioned, make up a tiny percentage of people in the UK.

That's a bit exclusionary isn't it? Hmm

jj1968 · 23/10/2020 15:54

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Most women couldn't care less, especially about toilets and changing rooms with cubicles

Not true. Where polls have explained that a transwoman is a man who is trans, not a woman who is trans, women are against.

If women genuinely cared that much they'd be out on the streets like they are for climate change protests, BLM, social spending cuts and even pro trans rights. You're lucky if you can get 50 people out. Women are facing courts and prisons and violent police everyday to protest against this shitshow of a society. Most of you lot are too terrified to tweet in your own names in case someone from HR has a quiet word or some friends are socially disapproving. Gender critical activism looks more like a hobby for a lot of people than a political movement against the errm forced extinction of women, just look at Posie and Harry and Venice, they're having a whale of a time. If 'women' really cared that much about this so called existential threat there'd be women in jail right now, just like there was when women fought for the vote or stormed the Palace of Versaille and murdered the guards.
Whatwouldscullydo · 23/10/2020 15:58

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HecatesCats · 23/10/2020 15:58

You are funny jj

Siameasy · 23/10/2020 16:04

I would love to know:
Definition of trans
What rights they don’t have
Name of third etc gamete
How do I know if my child is trans

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