Man making skirts non-gender

[SusannaSpider]

Sorry, stupid title.

But what do you think of this link? Man likes to wear skirts and heels to work, still definitely a man, not a transwoman, not a sexual fetish, he just thinks skirts should be non gender, likes the style etc.

I just find this really refreshing, how things should be really, Men should be able to chose more traditionally feminine clothes, whilst still being a men.
www.boredpanda.com/confident-man-wears-heels-skirt-markbryan911/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=BPFacebook

I’m not talking about policing norms.

Your husband wearing a dress I mean like where would he wear it to show his support. And to who.

I saw a man wearing a dress to show his support he would have to wear a sign to say that and even then I would be like how patronising was he to think that wearing a dress was showing support

I mean lik3 ffs

Get him involved in real live supporting women and girls stuff

I’m not talking about policing norms so not sure what you think we are disagreeing about.

He still seems to be wearing a "costume".

Lots of people do, I have a DD who has very high self esteem and doesn’t give a flying fuck what she wears and another with lower self esteem who very much wears ‘a costume’.

I think he looks and grand.

Of course he can wear what he likes but yes it looks it's giving him a sexual thrill. Most actual women don't go around in skintight pencil skirts and towering heels ....

it really was a hypothetical question - but the whole point would be for it to be unremarkable so a sign would be counterproductive!!!

BlackWaveComing

Well, yeah I don't see anything wrong with the shoes, I suppose there's millions of women who have shoe racks filled with shoes just like them. They don't look unusual to me.

(Personally I'm more of a trainers/flip-flops/steel-toe boots person, but to each their own).

@BolloxtoGender

I’m not talking about policing norms.

Ok

@occa

BlackWaveComing

Well, yeah I don't see anything wrong with the shoes, I suppose there's millions of women who have shoe racks filled with shoes just like them. They don't look unusual to me.

(Personally I'm more of a trainers/flip-flops/steel-toe boots person, but to each their own).

I literally see no women wearing them on the street or in the workplace. Ever.

I clearly live on another planet.

To me, they signal extreme femininity and are as far from no-gender as you can get.

@ruthieness

it really was a hypothetical question - but the whole point would be for it to be unremarkable so a sign would be counterproductive!!!

How is that supportive to women and girls, exactly? We're not compelled to wear dresses ourselves. Lots of us don't.

I don't see anything wrong with the shoes either. I don't often wear high heels these days but I've kept most of my shoes from when I did. Up to my mid 50s I wore 3 and a half to 4 inch heels as normal work shoes. I have several pairs in my wardrobe which are similar to his.

I literally see no women wearing them on the street or in the workplace. Ever

I clearly live on another planet

Yes I think you must. There's really nothing remarkable about most of those shoes. You can see similar on any of LK Bennett, Hobbs, Office, Dune - all mainstream high street shops.

@DidoLamenting

I literally see no women wearing them on the street or in the workplace. Ever

I clearly live on another planet

Yes I think you must. There's really nothing remarkable about most of those shoes. You can see similar on any of LK Bennett, Hobbs, Office, Dune - all mainstream high street shops.

I bet most women don't wear them to work, regardless of availability.

I think he looks great. He's very stylish.

And if it's a fetish, so what? What's wrong with someone dressing to feel sexy?

Well you'd be wrong there too. Women wear all sorts of styles of shoes to work. I regularly wore 4 inch heels as work wear. 3 of my female assistants still do. (Or rather did when they still came into the office)

I don't like his clothes and his calves look like they're in agony but I don't object (yet!). Sorry if this has already been posted. I got halfway through the thread and I need to go to sleep. I noticed this a couple of weeks ago and thought it was interesting but didn't know where/why to post it. I think it's hideous but not because it's aimed at men
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/gucci-releases-tartan-dress-men-22789928.amp

It's not hideous. I quite like it although it would be a lot nicer if it weren't orange. The way it is styled on the model is hideous.

The Liberty floral wool version is lovely. It's in the shirts for men section but modelled by a woman.

www.gucci.com/uk/en_gb/pr/men/ready-to-wear-for-men/shirts-for-men/gucci-liberty-floral-wool-long-shirt-p-633455ZAFF14459?utm_medium=geolocation&utm_source=gucci-us&utm_campaign=overlay

I was behind a man dressed just like this in Sainsbury's a couple of weeks ago. Middle-aged accountant from the waist up, manly sweater and shirt. Tartan mini with thick tights and heeled boots from the waist down. Monk-style bald head emphasising the masculinity. Was a bit uncanny valley walking behind him, but my only concern was that he didn't use the women's loo. Which he didn't, or else I'd have had to intervene.

Ha! Unisex clothing is like One size fits all, both are utter rubbish

I love this and he looks great. This is exactly what we mean by abolishing gender. Dress how you want, look how you want, no pretences about anything except that it's what you like. I genuinely believe most women on the TRA bandwagon believe this too. They don't believe in the rest of the rubbish that's spouted but they go along with it so as not to be cancelled and not to be labelled transphobic.

Men wear skirts all over the world and I don't have an issue with any man wanting to wear a skirt.

But personally speaking I do not find that these pictures are in any way challenging 'gender' norms. The pairing of the short/shortish tight skirts and high heels just seem to reinforce ideas around gender.

@unwashedanddazed

I was behind a man dressed just like this in Sainsbury's a couple of weeks ago. Middle-aged accountant from the waist up, manly sweater and shirt. Tartan mini with thick tights and heeled boots from the waist down. Monk-style bald head emphasising the masculinity. Was a bit uncanny valley walking behind him, but my only concern was that he didn't use the women's loo. Which he didn't, or else I'd have had to intervene.

About 15 years ago, maybe, more during the Edinburgh Festival there was a similarly dressed man seen everywhere. Tailored tweed jacket , shirt and tie and a mini- kilt with normal men's shoes and socks. The kilt was not just a kilt which was a bit on the short side- definitely a mini kilt at mid thigh level.

He sat next to me at a concert in the Usher Hall (can't remember what it was) and we spotted him out and about and at other concerts several times during that August -as did friends. His look was incongruous enough that even during the Festival he stood out. Never saw him again after that one month.

So, I don't really mind what this guy wears, though I'd maybe think it was a little unprofessional on a woman.

But I also think that it's naive to think it's non-gendered. He's playing with cultural signals around sex, but that doesn't necessarily undermine them, and sometimes it can do the opposite.

I suppose the thought is that it could be like women wearing pants, it could become so normal that it has no gendered implications. That's true, but even if we for some reason started to all wear similar clothing, I suspect we'd continue to make not of the small differences in cut, or maybe some other cultural markers of sex.

It's really difficult isn't it because on the one hand skirts should not just be for women and it's great to see anything that questions that and subverts it.
However, on the other hand, in a gendered society, a man dressing like he is here is provocative. Now that's fine if what it provokes is interest, debate, or even makes someone smile. However, if he is getting off on the feeling of it being shocking, discomforting or illicit, then that's kind of like involving others in his sex life without their consent... and that, well, it's a fine balance isn't it? I do think the heels look dreadfully uncomfortable though. And a woman of his age wearing these outfits would be "mutton dressed as lamb"!

Up to him what he wears, but a bloke tottering around in a micro skirt and high heels is not for me. Not that I think they look great on women either TBF.