Man making skirts non-gender

[SusannaSpider]

Sorry, stupid title.

But what do you think of this link? Man likes to wear skirts and heels to work, still definitely a man, not a transwoman, not a sexual fetish, he just thinks skirts should be non gender, likes the style etc.

I just find this really refreshing, how things should be really, Men should be able to chose more traditionally feminine clothes, whilst still being a men.
www.boredpanda.com/confident-man-wears-heels-skirt-markbryan911/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=BPFacebook

Guess you didn't read the thread properly then?

Go on then, show me where it says all skirts and dresses are impractical.

I think everyone pretending to be cool with things they actually didn't like much to try to appear open minded and cosmopolitan was part of the reason we got here

It's reasonable to note when someone's behaviour is motivated by sexual gratification. and I'd bet my lovely new winter boots that the way that guy dresses brings him sexual satisfaction

it's OK to call it

which is not to say that we shouldn't examine our feelings of discomfort to make sure they're not just rooted in fear of the different

i'm comfortable that in this case i've examined my feelings and the reason I'm uncomfortable is that guy is getting his jollies by appearing in a magazine in 'ladies' (word chosen intentionally) clothing

It's the shoes that make me uncomfortable. They're coded sexy/feminine; I have an aversion (borne of experience) to such things on males.

Checked with the agp ex (on the grounds of 'takes one to know one') and he concurs with Bernard's assessment of what's in it for the chap in the skirt. He also strongly disagreed with my opinion on the heels (fucking hideous, to my mind), but agreed that they're very much sexy-coded and speak to the agp within.

@TabbyTurmoil

A woman in a long-term relationship who is devastated by the discovery of her male partner's secret liking for tights and heels is a common story. No one is gonna go through that with this guy!

Except his wife of 11 years, when he started wearing skirts 5 years ago.

Well, unless we're going to accuse this guy of being a pathological liar as well, it doesn't sound like the women in his life have been overly traumatised:

Old girlfriend in college asked me to dance with her with us both wearing heels. We did this for more than a year. I got very good at walking and moving in heels.

Mark has been happily married for 11 years and gets full support from his wife and family: "My wife often makes suggestions on what I should wear. My daughter wishes she could borrow my shoes at times."

As to "non-gendered": I agree that that is questionable. But here's what he actually says:

"I am old enough to remember that in school, the girls could not wear pants. Pants have now become a non-gendered article of clothing. So why can't skirts and heels be non-gendered? Besides, men wore heels before women did. Maybe not today’s stiletto-style heels, but men did wear heels before women."

It seems he is saying that he wishes heels and skirts were non-gendered, not that they actually are. Because, of course, that's not true.

I am curious why men who wear skirts and heels often say, 'my wife is happy and makes suggestions as to what I should wear.'

Do other couples suggest to each other what to wear? I've never done it, nor would I expect my Dh to. I don't see people in general say it. But maybe it is a common practice that's just not mentioned, I don't know.

@youkiddingme

I am curious why men who wear skirts and heels often say, 'my wife is happy and makes suggestions as to what I should wear.'

Do other couples suggest to each other what to wear? I've never done it, nor would I expect my Dh to. I don't see people in general say it. But maybe it is a common practice that's just not mentioned, I don't know.

My husband has frankly questionable taste in clothes. He usually runs his purchases by me😂

@testing987654321

Guess you didn't read the thread properly then?

Go on then, show me where it says all skirts and dresses are impractical.

It's in the thread. Read it yourself. It gets trotted out in every thread where clothes are discussed.

@youkiddingme

I am curious why men who wear skirts and heels often say, 'my wife is happy and makes suggestions as to what I should wear.'

Do other couples suggest to each other what to wear? I've never done it, nor would I expect my Dh to. I don't see people in general say it. But maybe it is a common practice that's just not mentioned, I don't know.

I run things past my husband but usually along the lines of "this dress or that one or both" . He encouraged me to buy the only pair of Manolo Blahnik shoes I own (which no doubt by FWR standards makes him an oppressive shoe fetishist- in reality even I was swithering about so much money for a pair of shoes)

I often go shopping with him for his clothes and make suggestions. He bought a beautiful Harris tweed overcoat yesterday on my suggestion.

Fair enough. Guess it's just that I'm not particularly into the aesthetics of clothing apart from liking mine to be colours I like, and to fit.

Totally off thread but I bloody love Harris Tweed coats.

Goodness sake 🙄 He looks rediculous!

It's in the thread. Read it yourself.

I don't believe anyone said anything as extreme as all skirts and dresses are impractical. How about you find proof of your assertion? I am not reading 300+ messages to prove that assertion wasn't made.

Man is in an overtly sexy feminine outfit. The heels will not be comfortable in the slightest and I highly doubt he wears them all day at work. He probably takes them off as soon as he's taken the flipping photos...
This is clearly a dude getting off on wearing this stuff. Not buying it. Sorry not sorry!
Men in kilts, men in sarongs, men in all in one Arab style loose dress clothes yes... they're wearing what they feel comfortable.
This dude isn't comfortable.

AGP.

That said. He can wear whatever he likes. Wouldn't get more than a raised eyebrow from me. As long as he's using male spaces and services.

Man is in an overtly sexy feminine outfit. The heels will not be comfortable in the slightest and I highly doubt he wears them all day at work. He probably takes them off as soon as he's taken the flipping photos...
This is clearly a dude getting off on wearing this stuff. Not buying it. Sorry not sorry!
Men in kilts, men in sarongs, men in all in one Arab style loose dress clothes yes... they're wearing what they feel comfortable.
This dude isn't comfortable.

AGP.

That said. He can wear whatever he likes. Wouldn't get more than a raised eyebrow from me. As long as he's using male spaces and services.

Sorry didn't mean to post twice. Said error the first time 🤷‍♀️

I came on to say I think he looks as creepy as fuck.

It’s definitely not about ungendering those skirts or heels. That’s straightforward attention seeking. Plenty of men don’t wear trousers. He also trots out the line about heels being empowering. Which they are, in s similar way to dancing en pointe. It’s about “the look”. Which to my mind has been one of those devices for keeping women in their place.

@FairFriday

I once spectacularly ripped one when I lept off the back of an old London bus.

Like the stunt woman you are hey.

I’m ok with what he is saying but I can’t help think he might be coming out as trans one day. Some inconsistencies in what he says and that’s how Eddie Izzard started...

No silly, the open back platform of an old London bus! This was when you used to be able to hop on and off the moving vehicle as there was no back door (Health and safety be damned).

@FairFriday

A Kilt isn’t a skirt.

Of course a kilt is a skirt. What a weird thing to say.

Tell any Scot that then. We don’t refer to it as a skirt.

Well, I definitely don't think that a sari is suitable for men! They are designed to smoothly and elegantly wrap around the soft curves of a woman; they would not look as graceful and beautiful on the straight-up-and-down look of even the most toned and handsome man.

Oh dear, I guess a sari is out for me too.
*looks down at "straight up and down" body and lack of soft curves...

@FairFriday

Tell any Scot that then. We don’t refer to it as a skirt.

You may not refer to it as a skirt but that doesn't mean it's not one.

A kilt certainly isn't trousers, put it that way.

Henry VIII is wearing a skirt in that famous picture of him that everyone knows.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait_of_Henry_VIII

OK he has a codpiece sticking out of the front of it, but that is definitely a skirt, it almost comes down to his knees.

Yeah - that pose, going on about how powerful women look in heels and a skirt..

I know exactly what I think is going on here, and it's not breaking down gender boundaries.