Man making skirts non-gender

[SusannaSpider]

Sorry, stupid title.

But what do you think of this link? Man likes to wear skirts and heels to work, still definitely a man, not a transwoman, not a sexual fetish, he just thinks skirts should be non gender, likes the style etc.

I just find this really refreshing, how things should be really, Men should be able to chose more traditionally feminine clothes, whilst still being a men.
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@Horehound

I agree it seems like a fetish. The choice of mini skirt skimming his balls is erm...telling

2 short skirts out of what 20 or 30? The rest are on or just above or below the knee.

Aside from neither being that short do you think in the case of a woman wearing a short skirt " the choice of mini skirt skimming her crotch is quite telling"

He is the one stepping outside societal norms

Indeed he is and despite the rad fem mantra of "any one can wear what they want" it seems to be causing a huge problem for some of you. Many of you seem very keen now to keep to societal and gendered clothing norms (as long as they are frumpy and don't involve high heels)

@Whatwouldscullydo

I think they damage backs and have been a part of too many sexist jokes, but appreciate that's my personal opinion

Haven't women actually tried to take theor employers to court because they had to wear heels. Even when front of house and required to escort clients everywhere so were having to walk long distances per day in heels causing great discomfort/pain as they weren't allowed smart flat.

Didn't Virgin airline, and I'm.happy to be corrected here im not entirely sure im remembering right , only just do away with the requirement for the women flight staff to have to wear heels...

I have to admit finding it strange that an item of clothing women have had to seek legal action in order to not have to damage their feet/backs by having to wear them, can be considered empowering.

I realise many women wear them by choice and hey its his feet he can do what he wants with them, but I used ti work with someone who botoxed her feet so she could wear those kinda shoes pain free so they can't be all that comfortable. Can they?

I wear heels. I like them.

My back is fine. I don't need to botox my feet. Stilettos that are positioned more centrally under the heel of the foot are infinitely more comfortable than heels that are positioned too far back. I never buy high heels that are positioned right at the back of the shoe.

I sometimes wear high heels and pencil skirts to the office, although usually I try not to pair a very short skirt with very high heels. However, I do admit to flashing a kneecap from time to time.

I also have the temerity to have long hair (which I think is possibly a backlash against my mother's generation all having short hair) and I wear makeup everyday.

Somehow, despite all this, I manage to hold down a sensible job. I would far rather that women are able to dress in a traditionally feminine manner if they want to and be taken seriously than have to adopt traditionally masculine clothing. I do get tired on here sometimes of the devaluing of typically feminine clothes and hobbies.

I also agree that we pay a lot of lip service to men being able to dress how they want, but we don't always like the reality.

(One) man wearing skirts and shoes which are perfectly normal for many women is a sexual pervert/ fetishist unless he wears the sort of frumpy clothes radical feminists approve of.

LOL @ “radfems approve of frumpy clothes”

My point, as if it wasn’t clear enough, was that he wouldn’t look as “creepy” and like a man taking his fetish out in public if he was wearing less overtly “sexy” clothing.

@Whatwouldscullydo

I think they damage backs and have been a part of too many sexist jokes, but appreciate that's my personal opinion

Haven't women actually tried to take theor employers to court because they had to wear heels. Even when front of house and required to escort clients everywhere so were having to walk long distances per day in heels causing great discomfort/pain as they weren't allowed smart flat.

Didn't Virgin airline, and I'm.happy to be corrected here im not entirely sure im remembering right , only just do away with the requirement for the women flight staff to have to wear heels...

I have to admit finding it strange that an item of clothing women have had to seek legal action in order to not have to damage their feet/backs by having to wear them, can be considered empowering.

I realise many women wear them by choice and hey its his feet he can do what he wants with them, but I used ti work with someone who botoxed her feet so she could wear those kinda shoes pain free so they can't be all that comfortable. Can they?

I think he probably finds high heels "empowering" because men are not supposed, or even permitted, to wear them. In most professional contexts, it would certainly be against the dress code and forbidden, should any man dare; many professional men aren't even allowed to do away with ties, suit jackets and long sleeves - even at the height of summer!

And to the posters acting like a man dressing this way is passe: please. I can count on one hand the non-celebrity men I've seen wearing a skirt in my 30 years; it just doesn't happen. Regardless of historical practices or foreign cultural norms, it takes serious guts for a man to wear a skirt in the West in 2020. Apart from not wearing any clothes at all, I can't think of a single clothing choice that would likely provoke more negativity and outrage.

My ex wore a skirt on one of our dates, and I can tell you: every single person we passed stared. Hard. And we were in a park in a very posh area.

Really, who cares what this man's exact motives may be? And what is it to anyone even if these clothes do make him feel sexy? The clothes themselves are perfectly "appropriate" (not getting into that one), so, as long as his behaviour matches, who cares?

If people want to dress in a feminine way they can.

I was merely puzzled at how something which has been known in some cases to lead to physical harm was seen as empowering. I wouldn't say a woman wearing those outfits was empowered . But I dont view clothes as empowering at all really. It seems alot of pressure to put on fabric. Its just fabric it doesn't have magic powers. My definition of being empowered is obviously very different.

It also highlights the inequality witg the women who have been forced to wear those kind of shoes and companies refusing to allow them to wear other forms of sensible but smart footwear, and a man can basically just choose no questions asked .

I've also literally had to pick girls up off the ground who are stumbling around drunk trying and failing to walk in them

Plenty also braving bare feet clutching their shoes.. I walk past a few pubs what can I say

My feet are fucked id end up in a&e in those things...gimme dms any day.

Good job I'm allowed those or trainers at work

*In case it wasn't clear, my male ex. I don't know if I've ever felt more proud of anyone.

I would like him to explain the masculine top vs the non gendered skirt.. it appears fetishistic and odd because men dont wear high heels and skirts but it should be no different to women wearing trousers. He wears it well though
How many mums would dress their boys in a skirt? I havent and wouldnt unless they expressly wanted to, because i fear what assumptions people would be ie one of those narcisstic patents!! Also it makes you realise that skirts/dresses are not as practical for running around and climbing in ,so why would you?

This is as old as time. In modern life, just look at the 17th and 18th century with the heels, wigs, ornate clothing, jewelry etc. of the many nobles and kings.

I think he’s a bit of a twit.

Presumably, going by his own definition, he meant non gendered Top half and bottom half or maybe he’s just a wanker?

I don't buy it being non sexual given the choice of tight skirts and high shoes.

I mean he's still a prick for having such amazing legs. He looks great, so annoying.

Prick 😄

He is doing so whilst saying that his heteronormative upper body wear is masculine.

Yet his equally heteronormative lower body wear is somehow non gendered.

Really they should both be classed as non gendered. But I suspect his upper half attire being male is purely practical. I often wear men's clothes on my top half, I'm tall with a long torso and women's blouses/jackets rarely fit - shaped in the wrong places, can't fasten the cuffs because they are too far up my arm and are too short. I tried men's, they fit and I actually realised how much nicer some of them are, pure cotton, nice subtle touches such as paisley lining in a jacket. But men's trousers, no chance, shaped in all the wrong places.
I can't realistically see him fitting women's top half clothes. Although having said that, I guess transwomen find their clothes somewhere.

My ex wore a skirt on one of our dates, and I can tell you: every single person we passed stared. Hard. And we were in a park in a very posh area.
Why did he do that, and why did it make you proud?

LOL @ “radfems approve of frumpy clothes”

It was a quote from a poster criticising him for his clothes not being sufficiently frumpy. Take it up with her.

I agree, and it’s because he’s taking his fetish out in public. As someone said upthread, he looks kinky, and it’s all because he seems to prefer stilettos and tight pencil skirts. If he’d made frumpier choices then it would be a different story

(Btw are you in fact 15 or under? I find it difficult to take any one over that age seriously when they use "lol")

I am not sure if my husband will find any high heels that will fit his feet.

@Delphinium20

This is as old as time. In modern life, just look at the 17th and 18th century with the heels, wigs, ornate clothing, jewelry etc. of the many nobles and kings.

These posts trying to make out it's so passé , / everyday/ men wear sarongs are just ridiculous.

I can count on one hand the non-celebrity men I've seen wearing a skirt in my 30 years; it just doesn't happen

Same here in my 60 years, with the obvious exception of men wearing kilts and even then kilts are not every day wear. They are alternative formal wear for a very small number of men and certain regiments.

can't think of a single clothing choice that would likely provoke more negativity and outrage

Well on here it makes him creepy , a wanker, a fetishist.

Also it makes you realise that skirts/dresses are not as practical for running around and climbing in ,so why would you?

I'm not 10 years old. I work in an office- I think my colleagues would reasonably find it very peculiar if I was running around and climbing on desks.

Its just fabric it doesn't have magic powers

Yes it does. You are so wrong, so very, very wrong.

He thinks high heels and skirts represent POWER?!!

The power of sadistic male fashion designers to give women varicose veins and bunions and ensure they can't run away if attacked, maybe.

And it's definitely not a fetish

He's got The Smirk off pat.

That's how you know it's a sexual thing, it's a tell.

Yup

Honestly look at picture 8 and tell me that's not at all sexual

@Delphinium20

This is as old as time. In modern life, just look at the 17th and 18th century with the heels, wigs, ornate clothing, jewelry etc. of the many nobles and kings.

LOL (I guess I must actually be 15...). The juxtaposition of the 17th century and the word "modern" really stretches the latter to breaking point! Ah yes, our greatest modern playwright, Shakespeare (though technically true)...

Also, women wear clothes with all sorts of motives, too. Sometimes - indeed, with reasonable frequency - they even do so to look/feel sexy! Why is it so awful for a man to do the same? Why should conventionally "sexy" clothes (in the eyes of society) be reserved for women only? Because we are the "sex" (object) class? Great. Real progressive.

It's taboo for a man to express himself in a "sexy" way, arguably because it doesn't benefit men, and, I suppose, makes them feel degraded/offended by association (of course, this is basically the rad fem argument against stripping and other sexualised forms of self-"empowerment"). Only those for male consumption, i.e., women and gay men, are "allowed" to be "sexy" - and the latter meet with a lot of resistance!

I was trying to find some clothing as a birthday present for DH today. In a busy cathedral city, the only mens clothes shops I could find were M&S, Debenhams and Fat Face. And fuck me those clothes are boring.

same story when shopping for my DS's. I don't want to dress them exclusively in brown or blue.

I do feel for men on this subject. The clothes that are generally available to them are incredibly, stultifyingly, mind bendingly boring. It sounds wanky, but putting together outfits, choosing make up and jewellery is quite a creative process for me. it kept my shit together during lockdown

expressing yourself through the way you look is not for everyone, but it is for me, and it would be something plenty of men would love to do too, if the societal cost wasn't too high.

having said that, I do know a fetish when I see one.

and referring to high heels as 'empowering'. deary, deary me.

I wear them and I love them (although not that high), but I don't kid myself that they're empowering.

the only empowering items of clothing I own are my sports bras