Man making skirts non-gender

[SusannaSpider]

Sorry, stupid title.

But what do you think of this link? Man likes to wear skirts and heels to work, still definitely a man, not a transwoman, not a sexual fetish, he just thinks skirts should be non gender, likes the style etc.

I just find this really refreshing, how things should be really, Men should be able to chose more traditionally feminine clothes, whilst still being a men.
www.boredpanda.com/confident-man-wears-heels-skirt-markbryan911/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=BPFacebook

Not his fault obviously and my opinions on school uniform and dress codes are another thread entirely.

Don't go there, my hatred of school uniform would take up the whole thread.

Does anyone remember when there were men in dresses on Star Trek with no comment made about it at all?

Yes - I didn't even notice them when I first watched it.

Wait a bloody minute there, mister!

I'm unflouncing to post this!

Masculine above the waist

Non gendered below the waist.

WTAF! Man good, masculine double plus good

Woman/feminine = fuck off that's non gendered!?!?!?!

Fetishised semantics at its best. I have a tranny mate who says shit like that. 30+ years I've known him and he still comes out with such bollocks.

I'll tell this chap the same as I tell my mate - get thee to fuck. Your fetish does not rewrite my reality. Walk the walk all you like, but if you must talk think first! Wearing a skirt and heels doesn't make you a twat but all that masculine / gender free bollocks most definitely does!

Pillock!

@Haworthia exactly. It doesn't matter one jot what bs anyone spouts about skirts being "male" attire in other cultures. The fact is that he lives in a particular culture where skirts are gendered female. He's a cross dresser, transvestite, call it what you will. And more power to him. It's 2020, we're accepting all sorts these days, there's no special problem with transvestites. It's not an insult it's a just a label.

He also poses like a woman and it looks like he shaves his legs too. So despite what he says, he's a bit kinky. Also not an insult.

Of course skirts are non-gender because women are just formless voids... how can anything belong to women when no one even knows what a woman is?

Fine, whatever, but I'm honestly tired of this sort of "feminism" where we're applauding the sartorial liberation of men.

Imagine if BAME people were expected to fawn all over any white person who wore dreadlocks or a hijab and applaud how it was broadening the horizons of white people and ending racial discrimination!

[quote oldwhyno]@Haworthia exactly. It doesn't matter one jot what bs anyone spouts about skirts being "male" attire in other cultures. The fact is that he lives in a particular culture where skirts are gendered female. He's a cross dresser, transvestite, call it what you will. And more power to him. It's 2020, we're accepting all sorts these days, there's no special problem with transvestites. It's not an insult it's a just a label.

He also poses like a woman and it looks like he shaves his legs too. So despite what he says, he's a bit kinky. Also not an insult.[/quote]
Exactly. And he should openly admit that - not pretend that he's reclaiming the skirt FFS. (When I said he should be wearing a midi length skirt to claim that btw I meant one that was mid calf, not midway between crotch and knee!)

...But his skirts aren't what most would consider "short" (especially in this era of belts-as-skirts); they're knee-length, i.e., midi. And some are not that tight...

Most of his skirts are not that short or tight and would be quite appropriate (however you want to interpret that word) to wear and are worn in a solicitor or accountant's office.

The nit- picking on this thread and the determination to find fault is a joy to behold.

I'm going to get my head bitten off for this, but my initial reaction is that he looks creepy and it makes me feel very uncomfortable. I'm sure I would get used to seeing him walking around like that, but I do find it hard to believe that it's not an attention/fetish thing 🤷🏼‍♀️

I also picked up on the masculine above the waist. Non gendered below.

Surely that’s the wrong way round.

Skirts are very very gendered
Shirts and jackets not so much.

Wonder if he really does go to work like that. Pencil skirts and heels are a bit old fashioned now

Looks fine and glad that he's getting headlines because it normalises his choice. It should be normal for a man to be able to wear what he wants. I see nothing wrong with it.

Is non-gendered his way of saying gender non-conforming? I'm not keen on stiletto heels because I think they damage backs and have been a part of too many sexist jokes, but appreciate that's my personal opinion. If it makes him happy, why not. And SimonJT's friend looks very impressive in a completely different way.

I'm going to get my head bitten off for this, but my initial reaction is that he looks creepy and it makes me feel very uncomfortable.

I agree, and it’s because he’s taking his fetish out in public. As someone said upthread, he looks kinky, and it’s all because he seems to prefer stilettos and tight pencil skirts. If he’d made frumpier choices then it would be a different story.

Of course skirts are non-gender because women are just formless voids... how can anything belong to women when no one even knows what a woman is?

Of course! Thank you for clarifying that point, because I was rather confused.

I think they damage backs and have been a part of too many sexist jokes, but appreciate that's my personal opinion

Haven't women actually tried to take theor employers to court because they had to wear heels. Even when front of house and required to escort clients everywhere so were having to walk long distances per day in heels causing great discomfort/pain as they weren't allowed smart flat.

Didn't Virgin airline, and I'm.happy to be corrected here im not entirely sure im remembering right , only just do away with the requirement for the women flight staff to have to wear heels...

I have to admit finding it strange that an item of clothing women have had to seek legal action in order to not have to damage their feet/backs by having to wear them, can be considered empowering.

I realise many women wear them by choice and hey its his feet he can do what he wants with them, but I used ti work with someone who botoxed her feet so she could wear those kinda shoes pain free so they can't be all that comfortable. Can they?

I do wonder how many men would do it if it could happen without anyone commenting on it being unusual, if skirts really were a choice anyone could make and it was as normal as women wearing trousers is.

Probably quite a lot. Skirts can be practical, particularly in hot weather or where free movement is needed.
DH often says he wishes he could wear skirts, usually when it's blistering hot, and definitely not is a sexual way.
When I ask him why doesn't he, he says he doesn't fancy being ridiculed by the entire world.

The heels though? They are the scourge of FWR aren't they? Impractical, painful, disfiguring.

I also disagree professional women wouldn't wear what he is wearing, there is an accountancy firm near me and quite a few of the female partners do wear clothes like that.

For about thirty years now I have known a bloke (or he might be a fella) in London who wears a skirt just because, and has done in all the time I have known him. Happily living with a GC woman, and he started wearing skirts in the late sixties for comfort and just never altered his behaviour. (And the answer to "how does he pee?" is the same as for women. He pulls the skirt out of the way.) These are not "sexy skirts"; they are just clothes are far as he or anyone talking with him is concerned. And I know another obviously male man (complete with long grey beard) who was wearing a loose calf-length dress throughout the heatwave this year: he made it out of an old duvet cover. It got a fair bit of admiration from his male friends when they saw it on zoom calls, and two or three demanded the pattern.

I don't know about driving a wagon in a skirt (don't women ever do that?) but you can certainly be a man and drive a train wearing a skirt: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22828150
better picture at
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2338252/Male-train-drivers-Stockholm-wear-skirts-cool-shorts-ban.html

I noticed that story at the time because my main thought about it was "how sensible of them". South Sweden can be horrendously hot in the summer.

If he didn’t have to wait for his hard on to go down before those pictures I’ll eat my hat.

But then I’m jaded.

I kind of feel like all these pictures were taken over two days. Stuff in house in exactly same place except the Xmas sign on top of wardrobe which appears twice.
Bit weird.

Anyway, woman wears trousers. Mind blowing.

I find this really refreshing too

I agree it seems like a fetish. The choice of mini skirt skimming his balls is erm...telling

Agree anyone should be able to wear what they want. Dresses for women and trousers for men is wholly culturally specific, anyway. And the idea clothes determine gender, let alone sex, is just idiotic.

Clothes are just clothes.

There were originally 90 photos in that article, it says at the bottom. Even with only 30, there's a repeating style among most of them and it's a very particular look. One of the very few that I thought looked kind of natural is the one in the workshop with a black tunic and mini skirt, perhaps because it is a more together look and doesn't scream 'look at me' or 'sexy me'.

@SimonJT 's friend looks great fans self! That's definitely a more masculine kind of skirt though. A short pencil skirt like the guy in the article is concretely at the opposite, most feminine end of the skirt spectrum.

DH has nice legs, I'm now wondering if I could get him to wear something like Simon's friend... although since covid he basically wears pjs 90% of the time...

agree, and it’s because he’s taking his fetish out in public. As someone said upthread, he looks kinky, and it’s all because he seems to prefer stilettos and tight pencil skirts. If he’d made frumpier choices then it would be a different story

I'm loving this. Radical feminists say "anyone can wear what they want"

Reality

(One) man wearing skirts and shoes which are perfectly normal for many women is a sexual pervert/ fetishist unless he wears the sort of frumpy clothes radical feminists approve of.

(Two) no professional woman would ever wear a pencil skirt or high heels because they are unprofessional.

The claim he is a transvestite is a bit bizarre too. In order for him to be a transvestite one would have to believe women should only wear certain clothes and men should only wear certain clothes. So many posters on here tell us they only or mainly wear men's clothes- are they transvestites too?

Odd how you have most of that upside down and inside out, Dido!

He is the one stepping outside societal norms. He is doing so whilst saying that his heteronormative upper body wear is masculine.

Yet his equally heteronormative lower body wear is somehow non gendered.

Why is that?

Answers on a postcard please...