Man making skirts non-gender

[SusannaSpider]

Sorry, stupid title.

But what do you think of this link? Man likes to wear skirts and heels to work, still definitely a man, not a transwoman, not a sexual fetish, he just thinks skirts should be non gender, likes the style etc.

I just find this really refreshing, how things should be really, Men should be able to chose more traditionally feminine clothes, whilst still being a men.
www.boredpanda.com/confident-man-wears-heels-skirt-markbryan911/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=BPFacebook

The world has gone mad.

@Whatwouldscullydo

So feminists have said this for years bit man does it and it is news article worthy ?

Are we supposed to say "good on him" whilst pretending it was all his idea?

I mean yeah he absolutely should wear what he likes as should everyone but this is incredibly frustrating that no one listens til men do it.

That's a rather sour faced comment. He is dressing in a way which is utterly different from what men in western society wear.(notwithstanding the rose tinted comments about the 60s and 70s)

He is doing exactly what "gender critical feminists" say he should do- yet you still find something to complain about.

My colleagues would stage an intervention if I turned up to work in what he calls his favourite skirts and shoes.

Your colleagues would police what you wear? And you would judge a woman who wears clothes like that?
I would wear the heels, though my feet only accept high wedges these days. I would also wear some of those skirts. He's a robotics engineer, sounds fairly professional, I'm a designer. A friend who is a lawyer does dress like that, and pencil skirts are fairly the norm, high stiletto court type shoes are too. Less of the strappy though, as it's bloody freezing here.

Not quite the same thing, but DH was saying he liked the idea of wearing a kilt, so I bought him a light one last Christmas...more of a skirt really. It’s plain black and he wears it a lot! Now two of his friends wear them too... They’re all bikers and just wear what they like. It’s a great attitude, and not done for shock value.

@SusannaSpider

"still definitely a man, not a transwoman" transvestite surely."

And this is why people stay in their gender defined boxes, when it comes to clothing.
I used to get called a trannie when younger. Dickhead blokes who I'd knocked back would think it a good insult because I'm a tall woman, (usually taller than them if I'm in heels).

I agree. So much for the "wear whatever you want" mantra.

I'm all for this - more of it I say. Clothes can be worn by everyone and it doesn't mean you are trapped in the wrong body and must push yourself into women's spaces.

And, yes, he isn't the first to do it but that's not really the point. The way culture is now it is brave to do this and not claim to be trans. Yep, more of this kind of thing. I'm very much in favour. There is a post on the first page of the thread and I'm sorry to the poster I've forgotten their name but it was about how this is true messing with gender. I agree very much with that post.

@magicstar1

Not quite the same thing, but DH was saying he liked the idea of wearing a kilt, so I bought him a light one last Christmas...more of a skirt really. It’s plain black and he wears it a lot! Now two of his friends wear them too... They’re all bikers and just wear what they like. It’s a great attitude, and not done for shock value.

Love a man in a kilt.

@SusannaSpider

My colleagues would stage an intervention if I turned up to work in what he calls his favourite skirts and shoes.

Your colleagues would police what you wear? And you would judge a woman who wears clothes like that?
I would wear the heels, though my feet only accept high wedges these days. I would also wear some of those skirts. He's a robotics engineer, sounds fairly professional, I'm a designer. A friend who is a lawyer does dress like that, and pencil skirts are fairly the norm, high stiletto court type shoes are too. Less of the strappy though, as it's bloody freezing here.

Yes, more evidence of the "wear what you want mantra" being paid only lip service to.

There are several anti- high heels posts on here. I don't often wear heels now but seeing some of these comments almost makes we want to. In normal times several of my colleagues wear very high heels. They don't seem to have any of the problems posters on here confidently assert they must.

He's right that men's suits only come in narrow range of dull colours. I wore some bright trousers to work and one of my male colleagues said he wished he could wear trousers like that. I said the only thing stopping him was social convention.

There are plenty of cultures where men where dress or skirt types of clothing. I think clothing should only take people's sex into account where a good fit is relevant to the ability to do the job - so safety clothing needs to take account of the average women's shape not just being a smaller version of the average man - but one size doesn't fit all in that case anyway, as an outfit for a 5ft woman won't do for a 6ft woman, so sizing matters. Style not so much, as long as it is practical. I rarely wear a skirt to work since the time I had to go into the data centre to do some emergency cabling - working under floor tiles isn't so easy in a skirt as trousers. I'm not allowed to wear heels there anyway, because of H&S (don't have any heels for this to be a problem.)

So if his job only involves desk work, then go ahead, wear a skirt and heels. I do wonder how many men would do it if it could happen without anyone commenting on it being unusual, if skirts really were a choice anyone could make and it was as normal as women wearing trousers is.

Bloody good for him. Do I like his look? - no, but that doesn't matter a fig. Its a really fun and positive thing to be able to dress in a way that you enjoy, whatever that look is. I thought the same about Jonathan Van Ness on Queer Eye with his floaty skirts and heels, but then he had to ruin it all with the 'non binary' nonsense

That's a rather sour faced comment. He is dressing in a way which is utterly different from what men in western society wear.(notwithstanding the rose tinted comments about the 60s and 70s)

Are we not allowed to acknowledge that this repeatedly happens to women. Ignored, patronised, overlooked etc then a man comes along and says exavwhat the women were saying and is praised for it.

I have absolutely no problem him wearing what he wants I wish everyone would.

I dont see why we can't reflect on the phenomenon at play though. I mean JK Rowling is still receiving threats fir saying wear want you want, do what you want etc

How does he go for a wee? Is there a zip at the front?

I find skirts and heels uncomfortable.

I see a massive difference between this man and the photo of SimonJT's friend.

Both look great though.

Skirts are now 'gender free' but shirt and tie isn't?.

I wish my ass looked as good in a skirt! Mind you, I wore slightly high heeled boots, compared to his, yesterday and now have blisters. I haven’t worn heals for years and forgot how bloody uncomfortable they are.

I like it. I’m glad he’s not pairing the clothes with wigs and makeup, he’s embracing who he is - a man who likes heels & skirts - rather than claiming that the clothes make him someone else or express some innate inner being.

I must admit I assumed he was gay before reading it. Seeing a straight man dress like that without (presumably) any sexual element to it is actually quite refreshing, as we’re so used to the alternatives.

I used to like how Jonathan Van Ness dressed too, just slinging on some high heels with his regular outfit, or a dress, along with his gorgeous long hair and beard, but now he’s decided that means he’s non-binary and uses he/she/they it sort of detracts from his/her/their style a bit for me.

I mean JK Rowling is still receiving threats fir saying wear want you want, do what you want etc
What is happening to JK is utterly abhorrent and I really worry about her, no one person can be that strong. But I don't think it is fair to heap scorn on someone who is doing exactly as she advises. We need more stuff like this, things that address toxic masculinity and gender stereotypes (I'll bet he sees a lot of toxic masculinity outside of his internet bubble)

Yes, women do get ignored. I get sick of it, I'm at that age where it becomes more apparent. But so many problems in the world are down to men and however much women know and voice the answers, men need to be the ones to fix it. If it becomes a acceptable for men to become more feminine, yet still be male, the whole trans thing
may lose some of its attraction. I as a woman, can step back in an argument if it is for the greater good.

To me the bottom half of his outfit doesn’t look appropriate for work but I’d think the same if he was female. As far as “man wears skirt” it’s unremarkable in many cultures but he is performing not just wearing clothes to work.

Skirts are now 'gender free' but shirt and tie isn't?.

I'm a bit of a hypocrite here, I'm irked by girls having to wear button up shirts and ties at DD's school, because where in adult life would they have to do that. But in reality I should be embracing it

Are we not allowed to acknowledge that this repeatedly happens to women. Ignored, patronised, overlooked etc then a man comes along and says exavwhat the women were saying and is praised for it.

He's not just saying it - he's doing it. And no matter how many comments about "oh men wear skirts/ men were so gender-non-conforming in [insert poster's favourite decade] you'll go long and far before you see men dressed like that in public.

My frustration is not at him. Not in any way. Its the situation in general.

The media even had some headline including jk rowlings abusive ex didnt it? And here we are with a gushing article about a man doing exactly what she said.

Its just messed up.

Its great hes doing it. Realky. Nice to see some reason. A man on our side.

I do question as to how men as a class ( not this individual obviously) could have ended this shit years ago but didn't and have clearly seen the benefits to them of being completely ordinary whilst doing something like this and being news worthy.

Just makes me really frustrated ...

He looks good. Love the shoes.

@SusannaSpider

Skirts are now 'gender free' but shirt and tie isn't?.

I'm a bit of a hypocrite here, I'm irked by girls having to wear button up shirts and ties at DD's school, because where in adult life would they have to do that. But in reality I should be embracing it

I used to wear a buttoned up, white, double cuffed shirt with a tie and cufflinks with a black wool crepe jacket and pencil skirt with kick pleats (a bit longer than his). Oh and with black patent stiletto shoes.

I am surprised by how many on here would apparently judge a woman in a similar outfit as not being professional. Ok, if they were nursing or driving a wagon it wouldn't be practical. But it's a small step away from calling women slutty and asking for it, if they walk home alone in a short skirt and heels.

I’m with those who think something might be stinky in Denmark.

It’s the highly sexualised nature of the clothes that makes me a little suspicious.

14:25Itisbetter

To me the bottom half of his outfit doesn’t look appropriate for work but I’d think the same if he was female

Judgemental or what? I don't see any problem with most what he is wearing as work clothes.-(some too short) It's not my style but there are professional women in my office who dressed like that before lockdown.