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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rosie Duffield interview in the Times

131 replies

EmpressJKRowlingSpartacus · 12/10/2020 05:55

Sharetoken link.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/69771b5a-0a71-11eb-9ac5-9d2cf4a10c9f?shareToken=94d9142082b12e3a00f1c377a31f49f6

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Helmetbymidnight · 12/10/2020 06:03

good for her, im relieved shes not backed down.
it must be so frightening.

i was on a labour thread on twitter and was astonished to see so many posts saying 'when are you going to do something about transphobia and rosie duffield' etc etc

Collidascope · 12/10/2020 06:06

Brave, brave woman.

Collidascope · 12/10/2020 06:11

And interesting to see Angela Rayner's contribution. I have a special kind of scorn for women who see another woman being piled on on social media with the most hateful kind of misogynistic abuse, and rather than speak up or even just stay quiet, decide they'll stick the boot in a bit more, in righteous language obviously.

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 12/10/2020 06:20

The comments are good, too.

calllaaalllaaammma · 12/10/2020 06:28

The vast majority of my colleagues are afraid to even raise it as a subject that we should be talking about....
Anything that ramps up the hate is terrifying. I’ll probably be killed at some point.

Shock
Iamhangingin · 12/10/2020 06:42

Thank you for sharing. A very dignified interview. I usually vote labour but I'd find it impossible to do so now. Their lack of support for their own MP in the face of abuse and threats hardly fosters confidence that they are a party to stand up for anyone.

DaisiesandButtercups · 12/10/2020 07:02

Thank you Rosie for speaking up for us, it is truly courageous in these times Flowers

Thank you OP for the share token, that was a great read! I am enjoying the comments too.

Datun · 12/10/2020 07:05

Keir Starmer and angela Rayner come out of that looking so craven and weak.

He doesn't want to know, and she chides Rosie for not putting her abusers first.

Awful cowardice.

BrassicaRabbit · 12/10/2020 07:06

Wow thank you Rosie.

WhereAreWeNow · 12/10/2020 07:11

Go Rosie! Flowers

SunsetBeetch · 12/10/2020 07:15

@Collidascope

And interesting to see Angela Rayner's contribution. I have a special kind of scorn for women who see another woman being piled on on social media with the most hateful kind of misogynistic abuse, and rather than speak up or even just stay quiet, decide they'll stick the boot in a bit more, in righteous language obviously.
Same. Can't bloody stand Angela Raynor. Given her background especially, it's immensely disappointing and enraging. But I suppose some people will do anything to try and stay on top.
SunsetBeetch · 12/10/2020 07:24

And I think I may send Rosie a card thanking her for standing up for women.

queenofknives · 12/10/2020 07:31

Brave woman. She must be so terrified. Shame on the Labour Party for allowing and enabling this abuse of one of their MPs.

newmumwithquestions · 12/10/2020 07:37

I sent her an email to say thank you. Am so grateful to those around us that bother to put their head above the parapet and speak up for what they believe in.

FindTheTruth · 12/10/2020 07:40

This line from Rosie is spot on: "Surely this should be about adding rights, not taking away other people’s rights"

#AddRightsDon'tTakeRights

OnCandyStripeLegs · 12/10/2020 07:40

Good article about a brave woman. Kier Starmer needs to stop ignoring this issue as it's not going away.

Kantastic · 12/10/2020 07:41

oh my god. She's so brave. Flowers

This made me really scared for her, they're only going to ramp it up because she's speaking out.

People need to stop pandering to and making excuses for aggressive, violent misogynists. The coddling they get makes them worse.

Needmoresleep · 12/10/2020 07:55

What happened to left of centre parties, and their demands for orthodoxy. Who sets the policy. Is it, as I assume, based on a supposed democracy, where intersectionality and smaller groups rule, and an arcane maze of procedure. So in effect everything is decided by a few shadowy people who are able to mobilise loyal followers with time on their hand to sit through discussions and vote.

And ordinary person wandering in, wanting to contribute to a fairer society, has no chance. Too many requirements in terms of beliefs that defy common sense. The fact that senior Labour women like Angela Rayner have thrived, says a lot about them and their suitability to run anything.

Duffield seems to continuing in a fine tradition of MPs like Frank Field who think for themselves, say what they think, and who as a result command broader support. She is reasonably protected in that she is the first Labour MP ever in Canterbury, and my assumption is that articles like this with only increase local respect.

As a woman I am grateful that she is using her voice to help prevent women being silences. If I were a Labour supporter (or as is increasingly the case, a former Labour supporter) I would also be pleased that an MP is highlighting an issue of broad public concern, and by doing so is highlighting the sclerotic process of Labour Party policy making. If the Labour Party is to be electable, polices need to reflect the concerns and priorities of would be voters, not dreamt up by activists in secret chat rooms and voted on during late night sessions in community halls.

BovaryX · 12/10/2020 08:10

It very much feels as if the stake is built

In the excellent book The Coddling of the American Mind, Jonathan Haidt discusses Durkheim and the properties of political witch hunts. He analyses the events at Claremont McKenna, Yale and Evergreen, all of which were triggered by polite emails. He says that witchunts have the following properties:

  1. arise quickly seemingly out of nowhere
  2. they are presented as an existential threat or crime against the 'collective;'
  3. the trigger is trivial or fabricated

Haidt adds a fourth feature which was explicit during the campus witchunts of 2017:

  1. people who know accused is innocent keep quiet.

In addition to this, Haidt suggests that the insistence the accused is immediately fired is indicative of a dependency on third party authorities who are invoked to 'protect' the collective. Haidt also cites a paper which views the Cultural Revolution circa 1966 through a Durkheimian lens. Of course its most fanatical proponents were university students....

FamilyOfAliens · 12/10/2020 08:23

I couldn’t agree more with this comment though:

“In an article jam packed with nonsense sentences, “Young people might have much more knowledge and lived experience" might be the most egregious. No. They don't. Let's stop acting like they do.”

AchieveBelieve · 12/10/2020 08:31

Thanks Rosie. So sorry that this will bring you further harassment. So sorry you aren’t getting support from those you work with. That must be galling. Come on Labour women - let’s see what you’re made of .

HumphreyCobblers · 12/10/2020 08:36

That is a great article. Thank you Rosie.

I would like to email, sorry to be dim but where would I get the address?

Just about to read The Coddling if the American mind. If I can get the strength of mind, it is all so depressing.

FloralBunting · 12/10/2020 08:40

Rosie, if you were my MP, I would be weeping with relief. And actually, your courage in speaking up like this, as a Labour MP, is enough to keep me from despair about what we all talk about as the 'left wing'. Thank you so much.

Hope is a precious commodity and not everyone can inspire it. You have.

RoyalCorgi · 12/10/2020 08:48

Very pleased that she's done this interview. What a coward Angela Rayner is.

I no longer seem to be able to "like" comments on Times articles - has anyone else found this? Have they changed the format so that only subscribers can "like"?

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 12/10/2020 08:50

@BovaryX that is so true. DH loves Saturday Night Live and often plays videos of the election sketches - yesterday whatever he was watching segued straight into 'Are you disappointed that JKR is transphobic?'. No receipts, no evidence, just a complete lie presented as a fact to a whole swathe of an audience that actually might not be on Twitter (its not the wokest of shows). Same thing with a Bustle article I clicked on the other day, though tbf I expect it of them.