Rosie Duffield interview in the Times

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Sharetoken link.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/69771b5a-0a71-11eb-9ac5-9d2cf4a10c9f?shareToken=94d9142082b12e3a00f1c377a31f49f6

Thanks for the second token, Igneococcus. Have now read the comments. Good to see they’re almost totally supportive and GC, as is usual in the Times. I’ve been so pleased that “my” regular paper (I’m a long standing subscriber to the print version) is keeping up its pro women’s rights stance. I expect nothing less from a team that includes Janice!
My only quibbles are the implied assumption in the interview that TWAW, and the remark about younger people having “more lived experience” which is self evidently impossible.

Brave Rosie. Thank you from one DA survivor to another xxx

@Lisz

I do wish people would stop using the work of the famously pro-Trans Margaraet Atwood to defend their anti-trans position. I mean if it were a 'TRA' referencing Rowling you'd never hear the fucking end of it sheeeeeit .

Given that the TRA process is to send death and rape threats to a woman who liked a tweet, you can hardly be surprised that grown-up women are not in the habit of doing what TRAs do.

Talk about revealing.

But I'm perfectly happy for trans women to call themselves women. I just don't know what that's got to do with biological women's medical needs. Tbh I also don't really mind them using women's toilets if they are in possession of a grc and are not trying to pick a fight or rape me. Because that's "literally" violence. Not words you don't like...

Why don’t MPs come together from across the parties to condemn the abuse that Rosie and other female MPs experience? I don’t understand the silence, especially after Jo Cox.

I don’t understand the silence, especially after Jo Cox.

Spot on.

Chilling that Rosie thinks there's a risk she could be killed

At the very least you'd expect Starmer to support his own MP.

I mean if it were a 'TRA' referencing Rowling you'd never hear the fucking end of it sheeeeeit

this is a bizarre bit of projection here, they reference Rowling all the time. Have you never heard the phrase READ ANOTHER BOOK?

(you know you have )

I don’t understand the silence, especially after Jo Cox.

I understand it. But it's grim. Some of them have had their brains eaten by the woke virus and can't see clearly through the cognitive dissonance, some of them are gross misogynists who don't care if women are killed, some have ulterior motives for supporting the TRA cause (large overlap with previous group), some of them are naked careerists who won't speak up until it clearly benefits them, and some of them are just scared.

You'd get far more speaking up if she was getting threats from the right. But most people who aren't confuddled by the woke are scared of them.

Great idea to email Rosie. I’m copying my MP and Keir Starmer too.

@GrandmaMazur

Why don’t MPs come together from across the parties to condemn the abuse that Rosie and other female MPs experience? I don’t understand the silence, especially after Jo Cox.

Jo Cox was killed by a neo-Nazi. This time, the misogynist hatred is coming from inside the tent.

They were silent over the anti-Semitism because they didn't think Jewish people mattered. And they're silent now because it's only women, and if women learned to keep their mouths shut unless saying what men want to hear, they wouldn't get this reaction, would they?

Labour have a women-hating problem. And now, they can't hide it any more.

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But that bit about young people having more knowledge and life experience

I took her comment about younger people having more knowledge and lived experience as being specific to identity politics and gender fluidity, in the sense that this is why they’re surrounded by in everyday conversation, which—Bowie, Boy George, et al aside—wasn’t the case decades ago.

There wasn’t a fixation about labelling and what does it all mean. Now there is; the conversation has changed, as has the exposure to it for the younger generation.

@Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons

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That looks like a threat to me.

@Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons

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Why do they always bring up the deaths/murders of trans people in these discussions? How is it at all relevant? Of course, anyone being killed is horrific, but why do they throw it in our faces like it's anything to do with us?

If groups of radfems were out roaming the streets looking for trans people to kill, then they might have a point.

Or do they think women talking about our biology and rights is prompting men go out and murder trans people? What are they getting at?

Or do they think women talking about our biology and rights is prompting men go out and murder trans people? What are they getting at?

They're to guilt trip women into saying oh, alright then, you're in so much danger, you can use our spaces.

@Datun

Or do they think women talking about our biology and rights is prompting men go out and murder trans people? What are they getting at?

They're to guilt trip women into saying oh, alright then, you're in so much danger, you can use our spaces.

^ yep “be kiiiind” & take/protect those we’re rejecting from the man bubble

This was incredibly brave by Rosie.

Peto's educating didn't work, huh.

do they think women talking about our biology and rights is prompting men go out and murder trans people?

As far as I can tell, this is exactly the narrative. I've seen 'women's rights' and 'feminism' described as dog whistle terms. The implication that if women talk about their experiences of abuse and domestic violence and state that we want single sex spaces we are somehow mobilising an army of violent men to attack.

YY Datun and Arabella*.

And in fact women don’t even have to particularly or consciously ‘speak out‘ about these things to attract rage, it’s enough just to be getting on with normal life.
They were bloody furious with women, long before JKR came along and made millions of people around the world agree with her.

It feels like it’s just the fact that women exist (and offensively, they want or have to do so visibly) that is offensively ‘transphobic’ to some. Is it because they know that if TWAW, then equally WATW, but that causes cognitive dissonance because it doesn’t actually work. But TWAW can’t be let go of, so then if women are going about being all loud about themselves in public, or just disporting themselves around- you know living their lives- then this extremist minority of TRAs seem to find that puts themselves into a very uncomfortable place so and they want to silence women and to essentially erase women from public view.

@ChattyLion

YY Datun and Arabella*.

And in fact women don’t even have to particularly or consciously ‘speak out‘ about these things to attract rage, it’s enough just to be getting on with normal life.
They were bloody furious with women, long before JKR came along and made millions of people around the world agree with her.

It feels like it’s just the fact that women exist (and offensively, they want or have to do so visibly) that is offensively ‘transphobic’ to some. Is it because they know that if TWAW, then equally WATW, but that causes cognitive dissonance because it doesn’t actually work. But TWAW can’t be let go of, so then if women are going about being all loud about themselves in public, or just disporting themselves around- you know living their lives- then this extremist minority of TRAs seem to find that puts themselves into a very uncomfortable place so and they want to silence women and to essentially erase women from public view.

Yep. The three dream categories are men, women, support humans.

It is. Many TRAs are well aware they aren't women in any sense relevant to how we are women. Their goal is to redefine what a woman is, with most "cis" women a third subclass.

There’s a horrible sort of logic then to why TRA lobby are starting to campaign around ‘misogyny’. They don’t actually mean us. Or they want to claim an alliance of interests with women (that doesn’t exist) in order to coopt women’s energy to help those who identify as female but are not biologically female and ideally silence the women who go about womaning in public.

This makes me even more worried that for example, the Law Commission in England and Wales don’t mention ‘sex’ in their own Equality and Diversity statement, yet they are consulting on issues of misogyny and hate speech etc. Protections for women could be coopted and used against us if the definitions of ‘woman’ are not clear, or have been explicitly redrawn to be inclusive of everyone, regardless of biological sex.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4043925-Law-Commission-consultation-on-including-women-in-hate-crime-legislation-but-they-talk-about-gender

Yes exactly. Ask yourself why Stonewall would want to get involved. Is it likely to be because they think societal misogyny is bad and would like to help, despite not being a women's organisation, and in fact not caring much for women's voices at all, even those lesbian and gay women who don't agree with them on women's rights?

There is no way Stonewall, who have been actively campaigning to remove women's rights, now suddenly care about women.

They are getting in on this to control the narrative and bend it into making it a law about male protection, from females.