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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is it wrong to read Stephen King now?

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cantdothisnow1 · 11/10/2020 14:41

I agree with JKR not SK on the issue of whether it is possible to change sex. I am horrified at the abuse that JKR has received and believe that trans rights should never be at the expense of women and girls.

I recently read a Stephen King book and enjoyed it and posted about enjoying it on a book thread on here. Someone suggested I shouldn't be reading Stephen King because of his views.

Surely this is just as bad as people trying to erase JKR for her views and does women's rights no good? Am i missing something, am I wrong for enjoying these books?

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slipperywhensparticus · 11/10/2020 17:34

Dunce =since

GrammarTeacher · 11/10/2020 17:35

@risefromyourgrave or maybe she disagrees with your opinion too. Not all lesbians have the same opinion on, well, anything really.
Regardless, I can think of few artists that I reject their work for cancelling reasons. The Lostprophets spring to mind. They have been effectively cancelled and rightly so, although I do feel sorry for the rest of the band.

Saucery · 11/10/2020 17:36

I’ve tried turning it round to “you should read JK Rowling, everybody should read her!” but that doesn’t work for me. I have tried her books and her style leaves me cold. She’s an absolute star, a true champion of women and brave to stand up and say what she did, but I can’t force myself to enjoy her books. She needn’t lose sleep over that, I’m sure she doesn’t need my £ Grin

PlanDeRaccordement · 11/10/2020 17:43

No.
What any author’s personal views are have no effect on whether I read their books or not. I actually think it’s wrong to apply a purity of thought and deed test to any author.

Skyliner001 · 11/10/2020 17:44

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gamerchick · 11/10/2020 17:46

Oh there you are. I was wondering why you didn't pop up on the wanting to have a still born baby thread? You usually pop up everywhere.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 11/10/2020 17:49

@gamerchick

Oh there you are. I was wondering why you didn't pop up on the wanting to have a still born baby thread? You usually pop up everywhere.
Someone said the name three times

Thats my bet

Fess up...who was it?

FWRLurker · 11/10/2020 17:51

SK is just one of those entirely out of touch intellectual elites Virtue signaling as always. This is what he has to do if he wants to stay “relevant”. He’ll switch his stance in a second and memory hole this one if the tide ever turns. Plus the “statement of support” is a bunch of waffle if you actually read it. It has literally no content.

Melroses · 11/10/2020 17:54

It's easy - never read any of his books anyway

Melroses · 11/10/2020 17:58

Plus the “statement of support” is a bunch of waffle if you actually read it. It has literally no content.

It covers up the gap - it's a bit hard for them to be precise about what they are trying to support, since it is hard to quantify and keeps changing.

RoyalCorgi · 11/10/2020 18:00

You won't find this discussion amongst the TRAs because, judging by the ones I see on Twitter anyway, I'm convinced that none of them read. They're not clever enough. This is why all the virtue-signalling by King and other authors is so comically absurd: it won't win them any readers, because the people they're virtue signalling to are dunces who probably can't even hold a book the right way up.

yourhairiswinterfire · 11/10/2020 18:00

SK is just one of those entirely out of touch intellectual elites Virtue signaling as always. This is what he has to do if he wants to stay “relevant”.

After he'd declared TWAW, he agreed with JKR that one of the children's drawings for the Ickabog competition was amazing. He got the "OmG why are you sucking up to her???" stop talking to a terf" comments. I hope he'll enjoy walking on eggshells. It's ridiculously easy to fall out of favour with the bullies.

Thelnebriati · 11/10/2020 18:09

Two people had different opinions, that's called discourse. I really don't understand the angst or why you'd give one opinion so much weight without any facts to back it up. You could have explored the issue in more depth with the person who doesn't want to read SK any more.

NRatched · 11/10/2020 19:03

Up to you tbh. I would never say someone shouldn't read a book by X as they have 'the wrong opinions'. Mind, I am also quite good at separating the work from the artist. This said, when its something like being a pedo rather than just 'views' I seem to be different, for example when I was a DJ I would not buy, nor play anything by Gary Glitter. One, because I didn't want any royalties going there, 2 I didn't want to promote him and have royalties going there and 3, it often caused people to kick off about potential royalties anyway (as I had seen happen to a few friends who did play him). That might make me a bit hypocritical in that regard? I don't class having a conviction for that as the same as having views I disagree with though tbh.

DidoLamenting · 11/10/2020 19:39

I think generally SK wrote about women quite well. There is usually a female and a male lead who will overcome whatever the evil is.

Sleeping Beauties has all the woman in a parallel men free word.

Both he and JKR need someone to tell them their books are too long.

Dances · 11/10/2020 19:42

Of course it's not 'wrong'.

Read what you like and enjoy (and protect) your freedom to do so.

I'm certain J.K Rowling would concur.

DidoLamenting · 11/10/2020 19:45

David Bowie gets cited on here often as being a wonderful example of a gender non-conforming man.

SK has not as far as I am aware been accused of having sex with a 14 year old girl.

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ISaySteadyOn · 11/10/2020 19:52

@DidoLamenting

I think generally SK wrote about women quite well. There is usually a female and a male lead who will overcome whatever the evil is.

Sleeping Beauties has all the woman in a parallel men free word.

Both he and JKR need someone to tell them their books are too long.

They do need editors to cut their book lengths down. We call them doorstops in our house Smile.
cantdothisnow1 · 11/10/2020 19:53

@Dances

Of course it's not 'wrong'.

Read what you like and enjoy (and protect) your freedom to do so.

I'm certain J.K Rowling would concur.

Yes this 100%.
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PotholeParadies · 11/10/2020 19:57

I won't tell anyone else not to appreciate an artist's work for their views. Not JK, not SK, not anyone else. I don't like the cultural echo chamber that path leads to. Diversity of opinion, belief and religion is vital for the world I want to live in. I will not stop reading books because their authors say TWAW. I will choose to respect that that is their opinion and they have the right to hold it. It's an opinion I held myself not that long ago, after all. I had the right to hold it, but not the right to abuse people for disagreeing with it.

I do, however, have a line about living artists and actions. At one end of the scale, there are various musicians, actors and so on who are not getting any money from me on account of their criminal records for sex offences. In the same vein, certain authors (who I will not name) won't get any money from me because I think they have been abusive to other people for having different values. There is robust disagreement and there is bullying and harassment and I know the latter when I see it. If an author is publicly trying to destroy other people's literary careers, I quietly opt out of buying their books.

SK has been making a point of admiring JK's work so he does not fall into this category.

Vello · 11/10/2020 19:59

Read what you like, OP!

Lady Catherine will never know.

DidoLamenting · 11/10/2020 20:09

They do need editors to cut their book lengths down. We call them doorstops in our house

I think it was Iris Murdoch who refused to be edited for anything other than correcting things like travelling on the London Underground on a route which would be impossible in real life. JKR goes into Strike and Robin's travels round London in considerable detail and I'm sure there was one description which sounded as if they were on one of the lines which do run overground whereas the stop they got off definitely wasn't.

Tanith · 11/10/2020 20:14

I love some of his books, I dislike others.
His earlier horror books, I found very hit and miss (loved Salem's Lot, but I could never buy into the idea of a killer car in Christine).

I'll read what I want to read. It's the story that counts. If I were to delve into the backgrounds of all the authors I enjoy, I'd never get around to reading their actual books.

littlbrowndog · 11/10/2020 20:18

Back back after my ban

But anyway just read books tha5 you like.

No need to overthink stuff

Don’t like the book just don’t read it

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