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Scumsnet web crawler trawling mumsnet FWR

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IDontMindMarmite · 03/10/2020 22:04

Credit to SpartacusAutisticus for starting this thread in site stuff

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/4041044-Scumsnet-web-crawler-trawling-Mumsnet-FWR?watched=1&msgid=100549530#100549530

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R0wantrees · 05/10/2020 10:41

That's just for the plebs though R0, not important IT activism work.

When adults' IT activism is targeted at disrupting Child Protection and Safeguarding awareness, responsible adults should be scrutinising the activists involved.

Child Protection & Safeguarding is important.

RozWatching · 05/10/2020 10:49

I feel just a teeny bit sorry for all these people who are currently so enthusiastically displaying their chauvinist attitudes towards women. They're back in fashion but not for long, and they'll be more difficult to laugh off than a bad perm.

Here Giles, have a read

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

KatVonlabonk · 05/10/2020 10:52

He's backtracking hopelessly.
Apparently he did it at the start of lockdown, when everyones priority was stalking women's rights pages, and he hasn't checked it for ages and ages.

Women really ought to concentrate on babies etc

Scumsnet web crawler trawling mumsnet FWR
Scumsnet web crawler trawling mumsnet FWR
KatVonlabonk · 05/10/2020 10:53

I feel really sorry for any woman that has to work with him. I really do.

SerendipityJane · 05/10/2020 10:57

Looks like the TRA version of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

HecatesCat · 05/10/2020 11:06

they'll be more difficult to laugh off than a bad perm.

Grin
Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/10/2020 11:09

Apparently he did it at the start of lockdown, when everyones priority was stalking women's rights pages

Except that he seems to have been working on the tech stuff behind this for 5 years, not a few months. How dedicated.

https://twitter.com/augeas/status/645249587859587072?s=20

LurkyDeLurk94 · 05/10/2020 12:00

[quote Ereshkigalangcleg]Apparently he did it at the start of lockdown, when everyones priority was stalking women's rights pages

Except that he seems to have been working on the tech stuff behind this for 5 years, not a few months. How dedicated.

https://twitter.com/augeas/status/645249587859587072?s=20[/quote]
Can anyone archive or screenshot that Tweet for posterity? Archive EVERYTHING, as per the Antipodean fruit cultivators advice!

SunsetBeetch · 05/10/2020 12:09

[quote ItsLateHumpty]Link to the thread in site stuff again XX

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/4041044-Scumsnet-web-crawler-trawling-Mumsnet-FWR?[/quote]
Joss Prior posting about things being discussed on Mumsnet??? I'm shocked, I tell ya. Shocked!

Seriously, get some better hobbies, guys.

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 05/10/2020 12:17

What does he mean by 'if they let mumsnet return to being a parenting forum no-one would care anymore'?
Is he implying that we can only talk about certain topics?

SunsetBeetch · 05/10/2020 12:23

Archived tweets here:

archive.vn/76YJk

archive.vn/6sRzV

archive.vn/q1mJr

R0wantrees · 05/10/2020 12:31

Seriously, get some better hobbies, guys.

Two members of the self-described FWR 'networked moderating group' were interviewed in Eve Livingston's December 2018 Vice article, 'How an Online Forum for Moms Became a Toxic Hotbed of Transphobia'
(extract)

“When I started using Twitter and engaging in the trans sphere in mid-2017, Mumsnet was constantly referenced both on my timeline and in DMs,” says Joss Prior, a trans woman who is part of a sizable trans community that monitors and discusses Mumsnet regularly. “The whole of the Feminism board was like a spectre hanging over the daily trans discourse.” (continues)

“It’s a core group of a few hundred hardcore trans-exclusionary radical feminists (TERFs), a tiny percentage of overall users,” says Christine, the mother of a trans child and also part of the network that regularly monitors Mumsnet. (Christine’s name has been changed for privacy reasons.) “Yet the Feminism board is just 90 percent discussions about trans people on any given day.” (continues)

The trans people and allies that I spoke with allege specific tactics used to shut down dissenting views, including posting coded emojis or food references and recipes to derail threads in support of trans people. They also claim that archiving services previously used by the trans community to collect transphobic threads have been blocked by Mumsnet in recent months. (Roberts told Broadly that this was an unintentional result of a recent switch to a firewall provider that blocks more bots and site-scrapers.) (continues)

www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism

BrowncoatWaffles · 05/10/2020 12:33

@TheWordWomanIsTaken

What does he mean by 'if they let mumsnet return to being a parenting forum no-one would care anymore'? Is he implying that we can only talk about certain topics?
We should only be interested in our progeny. Clearly.

Stupid wimminz.

SunsetBeetch · 05/10/2020 12:41

I'd forgotten about that article Rowantrees. Funny stuff.

I see we are schrodinger's terfs again: both a tiny minority and such a threat we need to be shut down.

R0wantrees · 05/10/2020 12:53

SunsetBeetch
The FWR response was funnier,

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3444548-Vice-how-an-online-forum-for-moms-became-a-toxic-hotbed-of-transphobia

EchoCardioGran · 05/10/2020 13:28

@TheWordWomanIsTaken

What does he mean by 'if they let mumsnet return to being a parenting forum no-one would care anymore'? Is he implying that we can only talk about certain topics?
I've been following this, well done Spartacus!

What a pathetic weasel of a man! Probably a job for him somewhere in Laurence Fox's new politcal party. Motto:" No Wims, No Blacks. No Sainsburys. No Dogs".

Yes, I noticed this quote, in particular. Deep thinker, Giles, isn't he? My nomination for Inadequate Man of the year award.

Thank fuck I'm not his mother, I'd be so ashamed.

Antibles · 05/10/2020 14:06

In that first tweet archived by Sunset, isn't Lisa Fajita the name of the person who complained to the Co-op recently about them advertising in the Spectator?

Does spelling words with gaps in like this: tr ans g end er, foil the scrapy thing?

PronounssheRa · 05/10/2020 14:16

@TheWordWomanIsTaken

What does he mean by 'if they let mumsnet return to being a parenting forum no-one would care anymore'? Is he implying that we can only talk about certain topics?
Yes, he appears to have a pretty low opinion of women which is stuck somewhere in the 1950s. 'Stick to the nappies and pushchairs luv, leave the important stuff to men'

Something that will really blow his fucking mind, not everyone who posts here is a women, and some aren't parents. I expect Giles will want us expelled for not having an opinion on pampers v store brands.

DeRigueurMortis · 05/10/2020 14:27
  • What does he mean by 'if they let mumsnet return to being a parenting forum no-one would care anymore'? Is he implying that we can only talk about certain topics?*

I guess he means it's our fault he had to bother to write this code.

If we'd just bloody well shut up about women's rights and focused on wife/mother work and keeping men happy then all would be well.

It's basically another take on #nodebate.

He is so mired in misogyny he can't see it.

R0wantrees · 05/10/2020 15:01

What does he mean by 'if they let mumsnet return to being a parenting forum no-one would care anymore'?
Is he implying that we can only talk about certain topics?

A friend forwarded me this interesting article this morning from LA Times (December 2017) which seems apposite:

'Tracing the roots of misogyny to ancient Greece and Rome with Mary Beard'

(extract)
"The classicist Mary Beard opens her book “Women & Power” with a scene out of the Odyssey. Penelope leaves her room to approach the assorted suitors who more or less occupy her mansion, waiting for her to give up on long-lost Odysseus and marry one of them. When she requests they stop singing such songs, she is met with resistance from the youngest male there: Her adolescent son, Telemachus, chastises her. Return to your room, he tells her; public speaking is for men.

“I read the Odyssey for 20 or 30 years before I noticed the line,” Beard says. “At a certain moment you just say, blimey, that is a founding moment in Western civilization! And I’d read it however many times and not recognized it. And here we are in the first book of the poem and we have this moment: saying speech is male, and silencing a woman.”

Adapted from a pair of lectures Beard delivered for the London Review of Books Winter Lecture series in 2014 and 2017, the twinned essays in “Women & Power” (Liveright) take on what Beard calls, in the book’s introduction, “the culturally awkward relationship between the voice of women and the public sphere of speech-making, debate and comment: politics in its widest sense.” Speech and power are inextricably linked, and male silencing of women is present at the very core of our cultural DNA." (continues)

www.latimes.com/books/jacketcopy/la-ca-jc-women-and-power-20171228-story.html

DaisiesandButtercups · 05/10/2020 15:16

“Let mumsnet return to a parenting forum and no one would care anymore”

Clearly this is not true, I naively believed that gender extremism wouldn’t have any impact on midwifery, breastfeeding support, endometriosis support, cervical cancer or anything to do with our biology or motherhood. I am still shocked by how wrong I was.

SquishySquirmy · 05/10/2020 15:42

So, what topics are we permitted to discuss on breedersnet?
Obviously nothing controversial and Giles recommends we do not stray outside of the domestic sphere.
Yet we are also criticised for discussing recipes...

NeurotrashWarrior · 05/10/2020 16:09

Crikey.

I was initially humbled, now I'm wondering if it's time to NC.

And that I have a mn addiction.

NeurotrashWarrior · 05/10/2020 16:10

“Let mumsnet return to a parenting forum and no one would care anymore”

I mn ed so much when constantly breastfeeding.

That's how I was radicalised!

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 05/10/2020 16:12

Yes, but it is all so sinister.
So they are happy for us to discuss 'parenting' as long as we ignore the impact of their gender ideology on our 'progeny' - especially our daughters.
And ignore that fully intact biological males want access to our daughter's spaces.
But it is the 'no-one would care' bit that troubles me the most - why do they 'care' what we discuss? Obviously because no debate, the more secret it is the better for them.
It is all rhetorical really, we know why they do not want us to discuss it.
As in Ireland where there was no discussion and the GRA reforms were swept in under the radar where no-one, literally no-one knew it was happening.
And they thought that they could do that here.
We see them though.

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