Accessible Toilets

[WarOnWomen]

I've just seen this thread by Fair Play for Women regarding their stance on toilets. Maya F is also on the thread clarifying the issue.

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1312062467191734273?s=21

They are saying that everyone should be comfortable choosing the toilets they want to without being forced to share with opposite sex. Yup. Trans people should also not have to share with people designated at birth. Yup, also agree. Have a mix sex category for people who don't mind and trans people. Sure.

They are saying these facilities already exist. Accessible toilets. This is where I feel lost and let down. These toilets are for disabled people. People worked hard to get these accessible toilets. I don't want my mum having to share these toilets with trans women, anymore than I want them in female spaces. It's just wrong. And don't disabled people have a say as part of the EA2010?

Please tell me I have the wrong end of the stick.

Who was it setting off smoke bombs outside Grenfell Tower to protest a meeting Labour feminists? Was it radical feminists? Or was it a TRA group?

There are "feminists" clapping and cheering when female only spaces that vulnerable women have repeatedly said they need for their recovery are shut down or hassled by TRAs.

So you are not going to define the key point of your definition?

Behold my shocked face.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

There are "feminists" clapping and cheering when female only spaces that vulnerable women have repeatedly said they need for their recovery are shut down or hassled by TRAs.

Name one space that has been shut down by TRAs. It's not trans people bombarding VAWG's projects like Rape Crisis with abuse on social media.

[quote jj1968]@testing987654321

You are incorrect I'm afraid. Discrimination law is based on the perception of others, not the identity of the individual. So a straight woman who was discriminated against because for some reason she was perceived to be a lesbian would be protected under the Equality Act regardless of her actual sexuality.

And how do you verify someone's sexuality is fairly normal ways?[/quote]
This is a misinterpretation of the Equality Act. It is an example of discrimination, not the definition.

Imagine being someone evicted from her home and socially cleansed from the city her and her kids live in due to misogynist welfare cuts and hearing middle class feminists say sorry, we'd like to help but nobody knows what a woman is anymore so we can't. We'd like to fight to keep the local VAWG project open, but they don't know what a woman is either so I'm afraid your services will have to go as well.

Do you have any sympathy for women who want a single-sex space and not to have to share a room with someone with a penis?

www.womenarehuman.com/male-transgender-boasts-of-harassing-women-in-crisis-shelter/

Girl guides.

No longer girls only.

Name one space that has been shut down by TRAs

MichFest.

Name one space that has been shut down by TRAs.

They've certainly tried.

thepostmillennial.com/rape-shelter-loses-funding-after-trans-rights-activists-complain/

TRA's have openly stated they want to shut down Mumsnet.

Wasn't there a pcos board on reddit too....amd the detransioners board.

Oh and the wpuk meeting at millwall
Bomb threats at others

Name one space that has been shut down by TRAs. It's not trans people bombarding VAWG's projects like Rape Crisis with abuse on social media.

They would though, wouldn't they, if institutionally captured Rape Crisis declared a commitment to women only spaces. TRAs are too busy bombarding female survivors who want female only space with abuse to do that.

Twitter criticism of Rape Crisis doesn't go to the service users, it goes to the senior staff and Comms team, whose function it is to deal with the public.

GC Reddit...

Anyway I've gven my definition, I'm not going to change my mind so see little point endlessly arguing about it.

I'm not surprised. You wouldn't have a hope in hell of arguing for a definition that says a woman is any man or woman, and, er, so is a man.

Although, the alternative one cracked me up.

Someone going around being a woman. 🤣🤣🤣

They've certainly tried.

Yes, and that was after a TRA took the shelter through the entire Canadian court system for 12 years before finally losing, because the person was not allowed to work as a rape counsellor to female rape victims.

There must be a huge list of, not 'shut down' but rather, colonized so they're no longer single sex spaces serving the needs of those women who still need them to be single sex.

Like - to get back to the subject of the thread - women's and girls' loos and changing rooms. And then we can do women's sports if you want.

[quote OldCrone]Imagine being someone evicted from her home and socially cleansed from the city her and her kids live in due to misogynist welfare cuts and hearing middle class feminists say sorry, we'd like to help but nobody knows what a woman is anymore so we can't. We'd like to fight to keep the local VAWG project open, but they don't know what a woman is either so I'm afraid your services will have to go as well.

Do you have any sympathy for women who want a single-sex space and not to have to share a room with someone with a penis?

www.womenarehuman.com/male-transgender-boasts-of-harassing-women-in-crisis-shelter/[/quote]
As I recall the people in that shelter were horrified that a vulnerable service user was being attacked and shamed across the internet based on a few tweets. As someone myself, who has both lived and worked in similar environments I was equally horrified. Ths is why the sector wants nothing to do with you, you have no idea what's going on in that shelter, what mental health problems someone might have, or what safeguarding is in place. Believe me people who work in homeless shelters and refuges deal with far more worrying situations than this. That you would use a clearly vulnerable homeless person as a weapon in your war against trans women is really quite horrifying for those used to a culture of confidentiality, safeguarding and providing compassionate support even for the most difficult service users.

@ErrolTheDragon

There must be a huge list of, not 'shut down' but rather, colonized so they're no longer single sex spaces serving the needs of those women who still need them to be single sex.

Like - to get back to the subject of the thread - women's and girls' loos and changing rooms. And then we can do women's sports if you want.

I think this is quite true.

Take women's refuges. There's now at least one area of the country where women's DV shelter services are run by a TRA, and another area where a rape crisis centre is run by a TRA. Both are on record as saying "well, no-one has told us there's any problem..."

What this response doesn't get us close to knowing is whether there are women, for e.g., phoning their help-line then hanging up immediately on hearing an obviously male-sounding voice.

If you construct your "customer feedback" questions on the basis of only one answer being acceptable, then that's the answer you'll get back.

Upthread, someone mentioned having a naked male-bodied transwoman come up to them in the gym changing rooms while they were trying to wash menstrual blood out of their leggings. When the gym manager is asked "have your inclusive problems led to any issues with female users of facilities" will he say "well, yes some women do have problems?" or will he simply say "no problems have been reported [because we suspended the woman's membership before she had a chance to report her complaints]"?

I suspect we're way past the point at which we could get any sort of honest answer on this from any service provider.

That you would use a clearly vulnerable homeless person as a weapon in your war against trans women is really quite horrifying

Theres no war against transwomen. Unless you think boundries consent and safguarding are literal violence .

Why does women saying no cause so much anger and upset? Its a very familiar situation. One we have all faced when we say no to....

I am sure the person who was exposing their male genitalia to vulnerable women in a homeless shelter was probably suffering from some mental fragility. However, the refuge has some blame in this, if they had thought about their other clients welfare and also their male client's vulnerability, they would never have put that client into close intimate contact with their female clients.
They created as the nuns in my school would have said 'an occasion of sin"

Women are doing feminism wrong? Yes, we've been told this for many years.

Never fear!

www.theonion.com/man-finally-put-in-charge-of-struggling-feminist-moveme-1819569515

jj1968 As I recall the people in that shelter were horrified that a vulnerable service user was being attacked and shamed across the internet based on a few tweets. As someone myself, who has both lived and worked in similar environments I was equally horrified. Ths is why the sector wants nothing to do with you, you have no idea what's going on in that shelter, what mental health problems someone might have, or what safeguarding is in place. Believe me people who work in homeless shelters and refuges deal with far more worrying situations than this. That you would use a clearly vulnerable homeless person as a weapon in your war against trans women is really quite horrifying for those used to a culture of confidentiality, safeguarding and providing compassionate support even for the most difficult service users.

I am stunned that you would write this but it tells me all I need to know about you, zero compassion for the women in that shelter subject to the behaviour of the individual involved. Their own words were proof enough of how much they were enjoying what they were doing and the discomfort and fear of the women they were doing it to and here you are sweeping in on their side, championing them, dismissing the effect their actions had on the women involved. You really think women are sub human and beings not worthy of any compassion or consideration don't you.

Here in a nutshell for all those reading this is what jj1968 thinks of and about women:

You don't matter
You feelings don't matter
Your opinions don't count
Your voices are not to be heard
You are not allowed choices
You must shut up and put up you will acquiesce to what we tell you to acquiesce to

and yet jj1968 will tell you this control and dismissal of women as a sex class is not authoritarian in any way whatsoever. The hatred for women just drips from every post jj1968 posts.

Those who support jj1968's campaign against women this is what you are supporting.

@RedDogsBeg

jj1968 As I recall the people in that shelter were horrified that a vulnerable service user was being attacked and shamed across the internet based on a few tweets. As someone myself, who has both lived and worked in similar environments I was equally horrified. Ths is why the sector wants nothing to do with you, you have no idea what's going on in that shelter, what mental health problems someone might have, or what safeguarding is in place. Believe me people who work in homeless shelters and refuges deal with far more worrying situations than this. That you would use a clearly vulnerable homeless person as a weapon in your war against trans women is really quite horrifying for those used to a culture of confidentiality, safeguarding and providing compassionate support even for the most difficult service users.

I am stunned that you would write this but it tells me all I need to know about you, zero compassion for the women in that shelter subject to the behaviour of the individual involved. Their own words were proof enough of how much they were enjoying what they were doing and the discomfort and fear of the women they were doing it to and here you are sweeping in on their side, championing them, dismissing the effect their actions had on the women involved. You really think women are sub human and beings not worthy of any compassion or consideration don't you.

Here in a nutshell for all those reading this is what jj1968 thinks of and about women:

You don't matter
You feelings don't matter
Your opinions don't count
Your voices are not to be heard
You are not allowed choices
You must shut up and put up you will acquiesce to what we tell you to acquiesce to

and yet jj1968 will tell you this control and dismissal of women as a sex class is not authoritarian in any way whatsoever. The hatred for women just drips from every post jj1968 posts.

Those who support jj1968's campaign against women this is what you are supporting.

But will pretend that the sex to whom this refers is such a nebulous group, they cannot even be defined.

But will pretend that the sex to whom this refers is such a nebulous group, they cannot even be defined

Indeed, it's mystifying how this undefinable group is definable enough for those who are not part of it to know they want to be part of it and demand access to it, odd.

The hatred for women just drips from every post jj1968 posts.

Doesn't it just. I don't suppose jj feels any sympathy at all for the vulnerable woman at the centre of this story, because it's quite clear that jj thinks the only 'women' who are deserving of human rights are the ones who have penises.

nationalpost.com/news/canada/kristi-hanna-human-rights-complaint-transgender-woman-toronto-shelter