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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jenni Murray's final Woman's Hour

111 replies

AbsintheFriends · 01/10/2020 10:45

Signing off with a final sentence - 'there are many, many stereotypes associated with our gender. But our SEX we share.'

Hopefully she will go on to speak more about this once she has exited woke central.

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Helmetbymidnight · 02/10/2020 14:42

bbc radio four on facebook have got Jennis 'final minute of her last programme as a presenter' - nothing about sex there Hmm

Angryresister · 02/10/2020 16:26

I listened to today’s edition. It was about a film which concerns how a Father’s transition affected his daughter . Both were speaking but I thought why is the father on? Might have been better to have had on the widow concerned. He had too much time and most of the time was focused on the father’s difficulties in being his true self, rather than the daughters distress at the time. Still maintaining the becoming a woman fiction and one interesting part where the daughter was obviously pissed off about his performance of femininity , which she did not subscribe to. I no longer know why the programme is called woman’s hour.

Melroses · 02/10/2020 16:31

It will be Whataboutthemen's Hour.

queenofknives · 02/10/2020 17:38

Just listened to this and cried all the way through! Bless you Jenni Flowers

TastelessBracelets · 03/10/2020 08:37

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8799931/amp/DAME-JENNI-MURRAY-cancelled-BBC-adore.html

"My last programme on Thursday was a sad event as I thanked the audience for being such a loyal part of the Woman’s Hour family. I explained that I’d always had to remember that no one stereotype fitted the definition of woman — there were many, many different types in our gender who had to be served but we did all share one thing: our sex."

And about the reaction to her article on the GRA-
"I was roundly ticked off publicly and informed that I would not be allowed to chair any discussions on the trans question or the proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act. I had lots of emails and tweets asking me why I had not been involved in this debate, as it was so important to Woman’s Hour listeners. You have the answer."

"First came the furore concerning an article I had written in which I acknowledged that I was entering the most controversial and, at times, vicious, vulgar and threatening debate of our day.
I made clear that I was not transphobic or anti-trans. Indeed, I emphasised my belief that everyone — whether transgender or those of us who hold to the sex assigned to us at birth — should be treated with respect and protected from the bullying and violence that so many like me have suffered.
I merely asked the trans activists to acknowledge the difference between sex and gender, a trans woman and a woman, respect our right to safe single-sex spaces and abandon the nonsensical idea that we should be known as ‘cis women’.
We are women. No need for further definition. I begged trans activists to understand feminism and the struggle we had experienced in fighting for our right to be viewed as equals to men.
I reminded them that feminism had fought against sexual stereotyping, and that it was ridiculous to assume a girl who liked cars and trousers really wanted to be a boy, or a boy who loved dolls was ‘born in the wrong body’ and needed to be a girl."

I hope she carries on writing about this now the muzzle is off - she sums up the whole thing for me in these paragraphs.

ErrolTheDragon · 04/10/2020 18:38

Jenni's signout featured in both weekend woman's hour and in Pick of the Week just now.Smile

LizzieSiddal · 04/10/2020 18:41

Just heard it too Errol. Magnificent!

PineappleUpsideDownCake · 04/10/2020 19:47

Jenni is fantastic 🥰

leafeater · 04/10/2020 20:08

Jenni had been so roundly told off by the BBC, so it's really not surprising Jane Garvey didn't voice her views clearly.

However, she is leaving WH, probably because of the same restrictions that Jenni faced.

Melroses · 04/10/2020 21:29

www.telegraph.co.uk/radio/radio-presenters/sex-sharejenni-murrays-last-womans-hour-sound-feminist-putting/

"Jenni Murray is a complex figure. She has spoken and written about the history of feminism, and about her weight, her treatment for breast cancer, and about the struggles for women of juggling work and family life, and she has resisted any label or expectation given to her.
She has always seemed to care more about intellectual rigour and truth than about being nice just for the sake of it. She is a woman who has never fit into any imposed category but her own, and wherever Woman’s Hour goes next without her, that’s an important legacy to preserve."

Manderleyagain · 05/10/2020 16:37

Her last episode of WH was on pick of the week. They ended the section with her sign off finishing with 'we all share our sex'. It was quite a good bit of coverage of the programme and the moment.

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