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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jenni Murray's final Woman's Hour

111 replies

AbsintheFriends · 01/10/2020 10:45

Signing off with a final sentence - 'there are many, many stereotypes associated with our gender. But our SEX we share.'

Hopefully she will go on to speak more about this once she has exited woke central.

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SquishySquirmy · 01/10/2020 12:10

I can definitely recommend listening again in full. I found hearing those words within the context of the program )and alongside the music) particularly powerful. I am going to listen again because I missed some of the earlier discussion.

Angryresister · 01/10/2020 13:08

Back in on news at One!

seadreaming2020 · 01/10/2020 13:13

Proper quote on news just now - what a woman !
Must feel great leaving with the last word like that, a big F You to all the silencing she has suffered as the BBC

seadreaming2020 · 01/10/2020 13:13

*at the BBC

PaleBlueMoonlight · 01/10/2020 13:17

Agh, was On wrongthread! Yes, absolutely wonderful to hear those words on the news. What a world we live in.

Datun · 01/10/2020 13:31

@AbsintheFriends

Yes, it did feel like a very emphatic way to sign off. Not so much a goodbye as the start of another conversation.

I bet she can't wait. She's unbuckling the scold's bridle as we speak!

I love that image.
Mollyollydolly · 01/10/2020 13:32

I love this woman. Used to chat to her having a fag outside work at Oxford Road. Was always slightly terrified of her, but admire her so much. Can't wait to see where she goes next.

SisterWendyBuckett · 01/10/2020 13:43

Dame Jenny you are incredible Thanks

Reasoned, sane and measured - and now no longer censored.

kulaexchange · 01/10/2020 13:58

I was on the kitchen floor scrubbing all the grime that collects in the corner of the kick board and just caught the end of the show ... I burst into tears when she said that last sentence!! And I'm not a crier.

ultragroupie · 01/10/2020 14:03

@nauticant

Did anyone just hear the headlines on Radio 4? They're reporting Jenni Murray's statement about many types of women but are specifically neglecting to include what she said about "our sex". This really couldn't be more transparent if they tried.
I heard the lunchtime headlines on R4 and they played the clip where she said sex Smile
ultragroupie · 01/10/2020 14:05

XP with everyone Blush

Cuntysnark · 01/10/2020 14:17

Another one. Thrilled to read it but when I heard it I teared up.

Shedbuilder · 01/10/2020 14:28

@LittlePearl

I thought it was slightly odd that Jane Garvey didn't make any contribution.

I'm not as convinced as others here that JG is on the same page on this issue. I'd love to be proved wrong. I suppose she might just be brilliant at keeping her cards close to her chest but I have sometimes thought she seems quite hostile to women arguing the GC perspective.

LittlePearl, I know a lot of people on this board think Jane Garvey's a totally on-board GC feminist but I hear what you hear. Admittedly I don't listen every day so maybe I just hear the slightly off stuff. I know Jane's a single parent, I know she has older children who may struggle at school or college if their mum is known to be GC, I know she's at the kind of age when many women worry a lot about the end stage of their career, so I can understand that she may feel the need to be really careful about what she says. But she's been unduly sharp and officious to GC women too many times now for me to trust her and on the Fortunately podcast she's sometimes unpleasantly sarcastic about issues covered on WH. I have no idea what she really thinks and it's not comfortable. With Jenni you know where you stand, but with Jane? I'm glad she's going.
SapphoJones · 01/10/2020 15:15

YES JENNI! Perfect sign off Star You will be missed but honestly, WH is moving further and further from its roots and I am disappointed that only brief, forced, obsequious lip service has been paid to this very real threat to women's rights. I'm excited to see what's next for JM.

wellbehavedwomen · 01/10/2020 15:24

I love her. I grew up listening to her on Woman's Hour, and am so glad and relieved that she's with us on this.

EerilyDeleted · 01/10/2020 15:24

I'm a long term fan of JG, I listened to her on Radio 5Live for many years, but I don't think she's quite the right fit for WH and I'm not sorry she's moving on.

JoodyBlue · 01/10/2020 17:21

Jenni if you should read this you have provided sanity and support in my life. Wonderful final programme which I will revisit. Final sentences just exquisite. Just exquisite. I bow to you.Flowers

NewlyGranny · 01/10/2020 18:22

40.53 over Joan Baez. 😉

EerilyDeleted · 01/10/2020 18:22

I listened to it again this afternoon. What an amazing episode.

FindTheTruth · 01/10/2020 18:34

After signing off, after her final sentence, Jenni Murray signed the JKR support letter. Her name is at the top ❤️

www.ipetitions.com/petition/in-solidarity-with-jk-rowling

AbsintheFriends · 01/10/2020 18:35

Another airing of the clip on R4 just now. It really does seem to resonate more powerfully each time I hear it.

Her tone is quiet and conversational, but bloody hell, the echo of those softly-spoken words will carry far and wide.

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Datun · 01/10/2020 18:59

Her piece in the, Telegraph I believe, talking about the vicar who transitioned to be a woman was an eye-opener.

The vicar was primarily occupied with what frock they would wear to give their first service as a woman.

Even after Jenny pointed out that women had not been able to enter the profession, and did this particular person not see the sexism that women have been subjected to, they looked blank and went on again about their frock.

Knowing what I know now, it makes me feel a bit ill, to be honest. And Jenni was certainly contemptuous of the attitude.

She was equally scathing about India Willoughby's idea that unshaved legs on men was fine, but on women it was dirty, and not getting the sexism.

It was fairly evident that she was warned to say nothing else about the entire issue after that.

As a pp has said I bet she was unbuckling her scold's bridle as she walked out the door.

It's so brilliant that this might be her hill...

As a pp has said

StandUpStraight · 01/10/2020 19:02

Wonderful, Jenni. Can’t wait to see what she does when she is free of the BBC.

The Telegraph has picked up the story of the message in those final words: www.telegraph.co.uk/radio/radio-presenters/sex-sharejenni-murrays-last-womans-hour-sound-feminist-putting/

ErrolTheDragon · 01/10/2020 19:10

The six o clock news on R4 finished with her final statement, and mentioned the play-out 'I am woman'.Smile

crunchtimes · 01/10/2020 19:11

JM is a Queen, I hope she carries on the fight for Women's rights and equality.

I like JC but, I agree with pp that it is a good thing she is going, I don't think she has the fire in her belly for the fight.

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