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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

In solidarity with JK Rowling

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Glinner · 29/09/2020 21:42

The letter in support of JK Rowling from this weekend's Sunday Times is now available for everyone to sign. Please share using hashtag #LetWomenSpeak

www.ipetitions.com/petition/in-solidarity-with-jk-rowling

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ArabellaScott · 15/10/2020 18:29

A smidge less than 40 to go!

Malahaha · 15/10/2020 19:22

19990... ten more needed

occa · 15/10/2020 19:29

5 more now Grin

persistentwoman · 15/10/2020 19:51

20,013 rational adults standing in solidarity with JK Rowling. Very powerful and moving.

Flowers Wine

SirSamuelVimes · 15/10/2020 19:54

Fucking YES.

ArabellaScott · 15/10/2020 20:11

20,000. Wine

HavelockVetinari · 15/10/2020 20:12

GET IN! SmileGrinStarGin

TheChampagneGalop · 16/10/2020 22:03

GOOD Wine

JKRowlingforever · 17/10/2020 00:19

RESULT. Imagine that, 20,000 people motivated enough to sign their name to this petition. Thursda surely means a critical mass of people are waking up??

PippaL24 · 17/10/2020 11:25

No thanks

PippaL24 · 17/10/2020 11:27

No one deserves the hate she’s gotten but her views are horrible and i cannot support them

TeenPlusTwenties · 17/10/2020 11:29

Pippa Which views? The ones she has stated herself, or the ones that have been made up and misreported?

RoyalCorgi · 17/10/2020 11:31

Luckily, PippaL24, no one here cares in the slightest about what you think. Why don't you find somewhere else to go and do your handmaiden act?

DeliciouslyFemale · 17/10/2020 11:32

@TeenPlusTwenties

Pippa Which views? The ones she has stated herself, or the ones that have been made up and misreported?
No doubt Pippa will tell us to read it and it’s not Pippa’s job to educate us. No one can actually give their individual view on JKR’s actual ‘phobic views’. They just link to some nonsense essay.
KnightsofColumbusThatHurt · 17/10/2020 11:33

@PippaL24

No one deserves the hate she’s gotten but her views are horrible and i cannot support them
Which particular views are you referring to? Or are you just a plopper?
ErrolTheDragon · 17/10/2020 11:35

@PippaL24

No one deserves the hate she’s gotten but her views are horrible and i cannot support them
Cut and paste a quote from what she's actually said which you think is horrible if you want to try to convince anyone.
persistentwoman · 17/10/2020 11:36

Thanks for bumping this thread PippaL24
The petition's up to 20,341 now - on its way to 21,000.

DeliciouslyFemale · 17/10/2020 11:43

Oh Pippa has just reminded me. Thanks Pippa. M&S advert for Harry Potter stuff popped up on my feed and even on it, there was a couple of waa waa, why are you selling her stuff, she’s soooo transphobic Then some little waa waa actually screenshot the women that laughed at it and told them they were a disgrace.

I was really tempted to add a link to the petition, but my Facebook is used for business and we know only too well that my business would be targeted. Funny how she’s the bully, but women can’t even mention that they support her, without rape, doxing, ‘cancelling’ and death threats. Most oppressed my arse.

BoreOfWhabylon · 17/10/2020 11:48

@PippaL24
Seriously Pippa, which of JKR's views do you find horrible? I'd really like to know. Can you lnk to any examples?

Thimbleberries · 17/10/2020 12:15

There was a discussion about this in another forum I'm on. I didn't take part but I was interested to read how it is being perceived elsewhere (most members of the group are American).

They automatically assumed that she was being transphobic, and the thread was mainly about their disappointment in her. When pressed about exactly what, the views seemed to be that her books were all about being inclusive, but her tweets were the opposite (I don't think anyone had read her essay, and I suspect very few the tweets). They suggested that there was nothing wrong with the term 'people who menstruate', especially as the article it referred to was apparently specifically about menstruation, and thus it was a much more inclusive term as it included those who menstruated but didn't identify as women, and excluded those who were women but didn't menstruate. They seemed to think she was being particularly horrible by implying that those who didn't menstruate (or not any longer) weren't women (I know, logic isn't always their strong point). But it was very difficult to know what to say back in response to those sorts of assumptions. How to say that erasing the term 'women' still matters, even if the specific instance she referred to was about menstruation (I can't actually remember if this is true), and how to explain that she wasn't saying only people who menstruate are women. Or that nothing she said was about trans rights anyway. They assume that she wasn't inclusive because she wasn't including transmen or non-binary people, when actually it was the transwomen that were sending the death threats etc.

They're all very woke and well-intentioned and want to be inclusive, very much the sort of 'why are you afraid to pee next to a transwomen in the restroom?' sort of people, and without going into huge details about things that they won't likely believe anyway, it is so hard to say anything that doesn't immediately get you labelled bigot and non-inclusive.

I suspect a lot of people who are saying they don't want to sign something like this are similar to the people in that group. You can't really ask them what they find horrible, because to them, she IS being non-inclusive. I never know how to have this discussion.

yourhairiswinterfire · 17/10/2020 12:26

@PippaL24

No one deserves the hate she’s gotten but her views are horrible and i cannot support them
That's the purpose of the petition. It's speaking against the hate she's gotten, because she didn't deserve it, like you say, for expressing an opinion.

It's not about supporting her views, it's condemning death/rape threats.

DeliciouslyFemale · 17/10/2020 12:41

Pippa won’t be back, because either Pippa is reading it and realises that he/she has been completely taken in by the TRAs/MRAs or Pippa knows it is a complete lie and is scrambling around trying to find the made up ‘evidence’ to support the ‘claims’.

Caroncanta · 17/10/2020 12:48

No one deserves the hate she’s gotten but her views are horrible and i cannot support them

Recognizing biological sex is real and important is horrible? Cool story bro.

ArabellaScott · 17/10/2020 12:55

her views are horrible and i cannot support them

Jolly good. You don't have to. Unlike the people sending JKR rape and death threats, nobody here is going to shriek at you for disagreeing.

PippaL24 · 17/10/2020 15:13

The fact that she states in her essay that if she was born 30 years later she would have tried to transition based upon her bad mental health. Implying that people only transition because they have bad mental health. And is saying that by throwing open the doors to men who self identify as women into single sex spaces they are posing danger when in reality - the risk is still the same. Men will still go into women’s bathrooms and changing rooms even with the law of self identification.

tgeu.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Toolkit16_OvercomingMyths.pdf
Read this. I am leaving :)

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