Woman’s Hour Tuesday

[Angryresister]

Apparently they will be discussing the GRA not changes.

I listened to this, re-read @pombear 's brilliant transcript and read Heather Peto's blog post.

One of Heather main arguments for self ID is that she wasn't given an an anonymity order in a case in which she'd been assaulted, meaning that humiliating evidence would be public. I sympathise with her being a victim of harassment and not being granted anonymity but disagree with her that the solution is self ID.

Why can't trans women like Heather campaign for anonymity for trans victims of assault instead of dismantling sex based rights...?

Why can't trans women like Heather campaign for assaults on trans to be taken seriously by police instead of dismantling sex based rights?

@CopsCantCatchCriminals

Midday news on R4 played the whole quote including the dreaded word "sex".

Yay!

@FindTheTruth

I listened to this, re-read *@pombear* 's brilliant transcript and read Heather Peto's blog post.

One of Heather main arguments for self ID is that she wasn't given an an anonymity order in a case in which she'd been assaulted, meaning that humiliating evidence would be public. I sympathise with her being a victim of harassment and not being granted anonymity but disagree with her that the solution is self ID.

Why can't trans women like Heather campaign for anonymity for trans victims of assault instead of dismantling sex based rights...?

Why can't trans women like Heather campaign for assaults on trans to be taken seriously by police instead of dismantling sex based rights?

Well quite. It would be far better to fight for trans rights on their own merits. It would be a far more solid base and lead to something more substantial and dignified.

Instead of latching onto women's rights to fairness and dignity and undermining them, behind a smoke screen of emotional blackmail sob stories.

Dame Jenni has left the building, and today JG is doing a piece on the daughter of a man who has transitioned, and is now a woman called Helen.

It being WOMAN'S Hour, I am - of course - expecting a thorough look at how such an event might impact wives and children, and the emotional fallout it causes. Oh, wait...

So far it seems to be centering the daughters perspective

...devoting a lot of time to it

Ugh. An 11 year old girl had to take the responsibility for her father's bizarre behaviour. Her older sister had to share feminine things with her father. The father knew all his life. Happily ever after for all, well, maybe not for the transwidow but she's in the background so who knows.

Jane Garvey wasn't keen to get to the bottom of things with this one.

Just caught the end of it, JG used an emphatic 'and her Father, Helen'

I will use listen again

Yes, centring the daughter's perspective because she's made a film about it, told from a daughter's perspective.

But still centring the father's needs and feelings. I'm interested in the apparent suppression of negative emotions in an 11 year old child. In family therapy sessions she literally couldn't look at her dad, and actually wrapped a scarf around her head when he was coming to meet her (after not having seen him for 6 months) so she physically couldn't see him. But then eventually she 'realised' that we need to accept people for who they are. Because, at 11, what choice did she have?

Note: the first thing she saw when she uncovered her eyes at that meeting were 'pink snakeskin trousers.' And her reaction was - oh my god, it's going to be as bad as I thought. But then she looked into 'her' eyes and realised it was still her dad.

What parent puts an 11 year old child through that? I mean, apart from anything else - pink snakeskin trousers??? What thought processes were behind that choice?

This poor child.

If the BBC had any decency they would invite the children's mother and get her side. Reading between the lines it didn't sound like she was over the moon about it. Have WH ever interviewed a woman whose husband was a late transitioner?

www.empireonline.com/movies/reviews/a-perfectly-normal-family/

Thomas/Agnete is played by a cis male actor (Mikkel Boe Følsgaard), but for the lion's share of the run-time we are watching Agnete rather than Thomas, making this a missed opportunity to have a transwoman bring the gravitas of lived experience to the role. Følsgaard gives compelling psychological delicacy to the parental aspect of his character, yet physically embodies Agnete like a drag act with overemphasised mannerisms.

^^

Having made the film, I suspect the child is now even more enmeshed in a positive narrative created to support her father.

What parent puts an 11 year old child through that? I mean, apart from anything else - pink snakeskin trousers??? What thought processes were behind that choice?

Exactly my thoughts.

@CopsCantCatchCriminals

If the BBC had any decency they would invite the children's mother and get her side. Reading between the lines it didn't sound like she was over the moon about it. Have WH ever interviewed a woman whose husband was a late transitioner?

Yes they have a while ago:

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p06xvbsc

But still centring the father's needs and feelings.

I stopped listening as soon as they said that the Dad was on too.

Thanks TinselAngel, I hadn't heard that piece before. It's incredibly powerful and detailed, and I'm actually impressed they featured it. It's so telling and sad that the trans widow in that report felt she had to be anonymous and have her words read by an actor.

"We're not allowed to talk about it for fear of retribution, for fear of physical violence."

Yep. Massive respect to the woman concerned for telling her story.