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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Alex Massie in the Times, Scotland on the GRA

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Igneococcus · 27/09/2020 07:57

"But for all that the Scottish government is relaxed about drawing distinctions between Scotland and the rest of the United Kingdom it wishes to be no part of, is it really prepared to insist that “woman” has one meaning in Carlisle but quite another in Dumfries?"

Good question, Alex.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/6ac0bda6-001f-11eb-b722-e6d55bc5f059?shareToken=a0cc4bc37fb9da55b3a9e5bc5eca7ccd

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Deltoids1 · 27/09/2020 08:28

Good article. This is the sort of questions and pressure that needs exerting on the Scottish Government now.

RhymesWithOrange · 27/09/2020 08:59

I like the quote from Gendered Intelligence “a woman is still a woman even if she enjoys receiving a blow job.”

It’s the perfect AGP slogan.

ARoombaOfOnesOwn · 27/09/2020 09:01

Alex Massie has written a few good articles on this and JKR.

For these are large and important questions. As Gendered Intelligence, a trans activist group, once helpfully explained: “A woman is still a woman, even if she enjoys getting blow jobs.” Does the first minister agree with this? Her government certainly appears to.

I’m glad this was included, I hadn’t seen this quote before and people need to see what these organisations are actually saying.

ARoombaOfOnesOwn · 27/09/2020 09:01

Absolutely Rhymes.

thethoughtfox · 27/09/2020 09:16

@RhymesWithOrange

I like the quote from Gendered Intelligence “a woman is still a woman even if she enjoys receiving a blow job.”

It’s the perfect AGP slogan.

What is the debate titled? Would love to watch this.
334bu · 27/09/2020 09:59

Gendered Intelligence....such a classy statementBlush!

ThinEndoftheWedge · 27/09/2020 10:01

Great article. Thanks for posting.

The first minister has argued that once the issues are explained and properly understood, her opponents will appreciate they are mistaken.

Good luck with that one ‘proud feminist’ Nicola.

Quick reminder Nicola - feminism centres the needs of women, not men. Clue’s in the name - feminism.

MountainWitch · 27/09/2020 10:07

That quote... Shock how starkly horrible

Datun · 27/09/2020 10:19

For in addition to non-binary people and those who have transitioned, the hate crime bill also defines “a person who cross-dresses” as a “transgender” individual. Well, at the risk of being blunt, just as wearing a kilt does not make you a Scot even if you think it does, so a man in a dress is not transformed into a woman simply by his choice of clothing.

It's about time that the umbrella under which cross dressers expect to be called women, was publicised. It rarely, if ever, gets mentioned.

BovaryX · 27/09/2020 11:14

That quote says it all really. Deliberately offensive to coherent thought, external reality and linguistic integrity.

Aesopfable · 27/09/2020 11:19

The first minister has argued that once the issues are explained and properly understood, her opponents will appreciate they are mistaken.

That comment should surely bring the validity of their consultation into question. A consultation is not legally a valid consultation if the decision is already made.

littlbrowndog · 27/09/2020 11:22

See Nicola was calling out today the abuse that snp candiate Rhiannon Spear
Was receiving.

She never once defended Joanna Cherry or Joanna Rowling

Not once.
Joanna cherry had to have police protection due to death threats

Hard place now in Scotland to be a woman

BovaryX · 27/09/2020 11:24

^Not once.
Joanna cherry had to have police protection due to death threats Hard place now in Scotland to be a woman^

littlebrown

I don't know much about politics in Scotland, but I don't understand how this insanity has taken root there. How and why has it happened?

littlbrowndog · 27/09/2020 11:29

Woke politics.

Government funded organisations

Same as ever

Alex Massie in the Times, Scotland on the GRA
BovaryX · 27/09/2020 11:33

Wow, it's just incredible that anyone thinks that kind of abuse is acceptable. So much of what has been happening is so regressive and as many posters have said, it's carte blanche for virulent abuse from woke misogynists.

littlbrowndog · 27/09/2020 11:36

This is a great twitter account to follow

Alex Massie in the Times, Scotland on the GRA
littlbrowndog · 27/09/2020 11:40

But after first ministers tweet last night about Rhiannon Spear.

The snp supporters have been pointing out that she didn’t support other women.

Really has kicked off now and good to see so many pointing this out to first minister and snp party mps and MSps

littlbrowndog · 27/09/2020 11:45

We women were called Jeremy hunts In Scotland just for having worries about the GRA

Alex Massie in the Times, Scotland on the GRA
BovaryX · 27/09/2020 11:54

We women were called Jeremy hunts In Scotland just for having worries about the GRA

It's just appalling. I don't understand how anyone thinks that is acceptable behaviour. Thank you for the Twitter link.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 27/09/2020 11:55

That’s excellent & that GI quote is an excellent inclusion for all the people who still don’t understand exactly who NS thinks should share a changing room with my daughters Angry

This nails it “The “compromise” requires their capitulation and so is no kind of compromise at all.“

BettyFilous · 27/09/2020 12:04

It’s a superbly clear article which lays out the issues for the unitiated. Excellent job Alex.

Aesopfable · 27/09/2020 12:08

were called Jeremy hunts

Regardless of who were the targets or the legitimacy or otherwise of the grievance against them and Mr Hunt, using an MPs name as rhyming slang for an insult is in my view totally unacceptable behaviour by another MP.

Dances · 27/09/2020 12:43

Full scale war going on within the SNP now. Rhiannon Spear in one corner, with her TWAW and supporting the right to have a career as a prostitute. Said she founded Gen Yes and the actual founder was slightly miffed. Has now resigned from the party.
See @Kirst_Thornton on Twitter

Dances · 27/09/2020 12:44

mobile.twitter.com/kirst_thornton

Dances · 27/09/2020 12:48

Alex Massie will be watching with the popcorn, of course

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