Dear MNHQ:

[PerfectPretender]

It's become perfectly clear now that pointing out safeguarding failures over recent years has not been unreasonable, or mean-spirited, or unkind, but actually completely reasonable and expected of educational guidelines and safeguarding procedures.

It's time for you to accept that our concerns were, shall we say, valid.

And every single time you deleted one of us for pointing out these blindingly obvious safeguarding failures? Wrong side of history. You.

You owe a lot of women an apology.

Personally, I'm grateful to MN, despite my absolute despair of the moderation. After all, it's a business, and out to make a profit. It could have prevented all debate, and saved itself a lot of hassle.

PS I think PrawnofthePatriarchy posted only today.

Women's experiences of being sectioned and not protected, while so vulnerable, from predatory and/or disinhibited males were removed from FWR.

I find that unforgivable.

Yes, MN has 'allowed' discussion - some discussion, some of the time. Is it better than no discussion? Yes. But let's not lose sight of the fact that we're thankful for crumbs.

There has been no wholehearted support of feminism and women's rights in this area from MN. A reluctant partial tolerance, with MN are at pains to publicly distance themselves from us.

Out of interest, are there any other sections of MN that are subject to the level of banning and deletions that posters on here have been? Honest question as I don't go much further than here these days.

I miss AngryAttackKittens.

The fact that there’s a whole book written about the role of MN, suggests a greater reach than we might have realised. And FWR held the line, day after frustrating day.

Women are like water wearing away rock. We persist, tide after tide until even the rock can’t withstand our power. Or the occasional fierce storm when entire cliffs crumble into the sea.

Did I not see Prawn today??

Also on the missing list, Lass.

@WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe

Out of interest, are there any other sections of MN that are subject to the level of banning and deletions that posters on here have been? Honest question as I don't go much further than here these days.

I don't much either but racism seems to be a bit of a hot topic, and I know some Harry/Meghan threads got a bit swiss-cheesey.

@nauticant

I understand your point PerfectPretender but I agree with others that **@MNHQ** did something significant, that cost them, by giving us a space to debate these issues.

Many organisations looked at the hassle of resisting groupthink and the related pressures and then caved. @MNHQ didn't do this.

This.

Thank you, @MNHQ

Echoing Manderley's excellent post above - I think Self-ID might well have marched straight through without Mumsnet.

I think MNHQ probably play a game of chicken with the lawyers. When they get threatened by with legal action they delete threads because they can't afford to let them stand. It's infuriating and wrong, but ultimately says more about the individuals who use money and might to demand women are silenced than it does about Mumsnet. (And we see them.)

@WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe

Out of interest, are there any other sections of MN that are subject to the level of banning and deletions that posters on here have been? Honest question as I don't go much further than here these days.

No.

I saw Prawn on here yesterday - she mentioned being ill so maybe that's why she's been awol ( and good to see you back @PrawnOfThePatriarchy)
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Lass* wasn't banned, afaik - she was certainly being targeted for some of her staunch defence of the rights of girls and women and I think she decided enough of that shit and left.

The fact that there’s a whole book written about the role of MN, suggests a greater reach than we might have realised.

Is there? What and by whom, please?!

Right, I think you're all great. I haven't big-upped Datun in a while, but she and Lang were key to me 'getting' it! Their patience and articulacy... for literally years!

FloralBunting too, and Michelle.
Goosefoot, I always appreciate your point of view.
There are lots more.

I hope R0wantrees is still about, with her encyclopaedic thread knowledge.

I always thought the ProdigalKittensReturn was AngryAttackKittens with a new name?!

I think R0wantrees took a hiatus.

I agree with @nauticant.

It would be good to see banned posters allowed to return.

Can't believe they banned Maryz.

It would be brilliant to bring the wrongfully banned people back

I think mumsnet HQ has been brave as.

And I, for one, are grateful.
The tide has turned.

Another vote for MN is walking a difficult line.

They may not get everyone moderation call right but the whole thing moves fast and they are doing it on the fly.

I am a classic 'came for the miscarriage support, stayed for the feminism' user and there are so many of us who learned of all these issues through this site.

Slightly different as it was a FB group, but The Skinny Confidential had over 50,000 female members. Instead of moderating the difficult political discourse of its varied membership, the owner shut the whole thing down because it was too much hassle: www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8759749/The-Skinny-Confidential-founder-shuts-Facebook-group-negativity.html

Mainly a lurker here for the last couple of years. God, I have appreciated the insight and clarity of many of the names mentioned above, and many here still plugging away too (looking at you, Floral and Datun, amongst others)

Barracker was another voice I greatly appreciated who I think is no longer here?

All the women posting on FWR have taught me so much. I understand the frustration, OP, but personally feel grateful to Justine and MNHQ for holding firm in the main.

Thanks to info on here I have felt able to contribute in small ways; feeling informed enough to talk with friends and family, post occasional challenges on FB when I'm feeling brave and have the energy for fielding the replies, digging holes, writing to MPs, making a few local connections with other GC women, engaging with consultations etc

I agree with a PP, a lot of the recent gains probably wouldn't have happened without this board and all the eloquent vipers who hang out here.

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I agree and disagree. In summary, I don’t think we would be where we are now without the support of MNHQ and I am sure it has cost them dear. Thank you Justine et all. You’ve not been perfect but you have been better than anyone xxx

As somebody who has been knocking round here abouts for a few years, and who has been working behind the scenes campaigning to make sure safeguarding is upheld in schools, I think @MNHQ owe a lot of women a massive apology. There is definitely a wrong side of history happening, and it’s not the likes of Langcleg and the countless other women who have been banned, deleted and silenced for wanting to see safeguarding upheld who are on it.

@MNHQ you are a parenting website. Start acting like it.

@Fantasisa I'm a lurker like you describe, just quietly amassing info and building the cornerstones of my reasoning and thinking.
Especially useful with my 2 woke teen daughters.