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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Updated relationships, sex and health curriculum guidance

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umbel · 24/09/2020 15:52

Updated government guidance, released today!!!

Updated relationships, sex and health curriculum guidance
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Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/09/2020 23:39

under the Equality Act trans women have the right to use single sex spaces in most cases as the MInister for Women just confirmed in the House of Lords.

It has nothing to do with the Equality Act - it isn't given as a right in the EA for all male people who declare they are women to use female only spaces. Because that wasn't the intention. It is guidance written in conjunction with trans lobby groups that has encouraged this, not the law. There is provision for single sex spaces in the EA as this is considered reasonable in circumstances where women would expect to be private from the opposite sex (and vice versa for men). Liz Truss reaffirmed this in both her written statement and parliamentary questions. Nice gloating though. Really empathetic to rape survivors and women in prison, as well as the many other women who value their privacy and dignity.

And any Stonewall "packs" that do push evidence-free bullshit about everyone having a gender identity and some males are women as truth without presenting the opposing view can be challenged even more now, as is already currently happening on several fronts.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/09/2020 23:40

So many people frantically spending sooo much time reassuring anyone (with a high boredom threshold), that there is absolutely nothing to see here, whilst digging up random and irrelevant points to contradict that which is not worth seeing, and fondly imagining that their faux, daft commiserating makes them appear anything other than desperate.

Doesn't it just.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/09/2020 23:42

Is that a cult accusation I hear? DARVO, gaslight, guilt by association fallacies - the gang's all here! Oh well, thread nearly full, TRAs still using the playbook, but I'm still chipper because the government are still issuing sensible guidance about children and safeguarding. A point to rejoice over. For most.

Yes. Cheers Floral Wine

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/09/2020 23:47

I'm not sure it is widely acknowledged by the way. All I've ever seen is a story in the Sunday Times who didn't share their data or methodology. I think it's something that should be looked at by proper researchers.

Perhaps all the trans suicide and murder "research" quoted by TRAs should be looked at by proper researchers too? Ones who don't rely on self selected surveys, unclear and inconsistent terminology and dodgy use of samples?

jj1968 · 27/09/2020 23:51

@BatShite

Apologies again for using changing rooms. My memory appears to be hazy, the studies have been on mixed sex hospital wards, and in care settings. Always bad for women. Am off now, when memory fucks, its pointless posting. Have a good night jj.
Am done too, night.
ErrolTheDragon · 27/09/2020 23:54

** Yes, there's loads of stuff which should be looked at by proper researchers. Of course, some of it needs meaningful data, especially crime stats - recording by self-declared gender makes analysis impossible, they need accurate sex plus gender for anyone that wants it.

Datun · 28/09/2020 00:06

Besides which, it's irrelevant what random TRAs think. The government has said women's spaces will be upheld.

All the wailing that's going on, affects it not.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/09/2020 00:12

Yes Datun, and now the right to spaces based on biological sex has been confirmed by the government, women will push for guidelines to be more explicit about this, and to suggest how conflicting rights can be addressed.

ItsLateHumpty · 28/09/2020 07:46

If I’m understanding the updated government guidance, then hopefully a lot of the concerns raised by Transgender Trend in 2019 are now going to be addressed, or at least not perpetuated if Mermaids are no longer welcome in schools to deliver ‘training’. This is surely only good news?

www.transgendertrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Safeguarding-Concerns-Transgender-Schools-Guidance.pdf

Transgender Schools Guidance Safeguarding Concerns
The Department for Education has failed in their responsibility to act with due diligence when funding and promoting political transgender pressure groups to schools. The following areas of concern need urgent review to safeguard the rights of all children and to ensure that school is a safe place for all.

 Promising confidentiality to a child
 Parental Alienation
 Promoting use of off label drugs and minimising harms
 Erosion of sexual boundaries

The following organisations have been endorsed by the Department for Education (DfE):

 Gender Identity Research and Education Society (GIRES). In the publication Equality Act 2010 and Schools (May 2014)1 GIRES is referenced three times, including a link to their website.
 Intercom Trust. The same document provides a link to the Cornwall Schools Transgender Guidance written by the Intercom Trust.
 Stonewall. Awarded DfE funding in 2015 of £465,594 to "prevent and tackle homophobic, biphobic and transphobic bullying in schools."
 Educate & Celebrate. Awarded DfE funding in 2015 of £214k.
 Mermaids. Awarded DfE funding in 2018 of £35k to go into schools and deliver training to teachers.

These organisations are political pressure groups that seek to influence public policy for their own particular cause, i.e. transgender rights. While this is a legitimate aim, the promotion of these groups to schools has raised serious concerns about their negative impact on the safeguarding of children. These groups advocate an adult approach to specific issues such as confidentiality, use of off label drugs, consent and working with parents. These approaches are inappropriate for children, are incompatible with Working Together to Safeguard Children 20182 and Keeping Children Safe in Education 20183, and place children, especially girls and gender non-conforming children, at risk of significant harms.“

/cont.

P6 Promoting Off Label Drugs and Minimising Risks

The Mermaids trainer presents reassuring but inaccurate information for teachers, emphasising the positive benefits of puberty-blocking intervention:

"Now puberty blocker medication, or blockers are they are known, they don’t make any changes, so they’re completely reversible. What it does is put a pause button on the pituitary gland and it just freezes puberty where it is. Not growth, just puberty. Take the blockers away and biological puberty will recommence. .. it does provide immense relief from the dysphoria, it also prevents the secondary sex characteristics, meaning there’s less physical intervention in later life if they decide to go down that path."

The trainer goes on to completely minimise the negative effects: "If they are on blockers alone, sometimes they can suffer from a lack of energy and some of our teens have had slight menopausal symptoms at first, but they tend to settle down."

Shock That’s a lot of change, and minimising of lifelong risks for bodies (of prepubescent children Angry) that are not wrong Hmm

FindTheTruth · 28/09/2020 08:04

Thanks for the report link @ItsLateHumpty - superb, clear analysis as always. love their reports. (Stephanie's?)

DFE's guidance to work together with parents Vs GIRES telling teachers to keep it secret

an adult should never promise confidentiality to a child. Yet GIRES and Stonewall clearly state that confidentiality must be maintained and the child's thoughts must be immediately affirmed by the adult.

Datun · 28/09/2020 08:57

The fact that this is so explicit is breathtaking gall.

Stonewall. Awarded DfE funding in 2015 of £465,594 to "prevent and tackle homophobic, biphobic and transphobic bullying in schools."

They can't define homophobia. They can't define lesbian. They can't define gay. And they certainly can't define transphobia.

ErrolTheDragon · 28/09/2020 09:03

@Datun

The fact that this is so explicit is breathtaking gall.

Stonewall. Awarded DfE funding in 2015 of £465,594 to "prevent and tackle homophobic, biphobic and transphobic bullying in schools."

They can't define homophobia. They can't define lesbian. They can't define gay. And they certainly can't define transphobia.

They might want to check the definition of 'bullying' too, and stop doing it.
jj1968 · 28/09/2020 19:30

Interesting development from Schoolsweek. Turns out the new guidelines are not statutory so it is up to individual schools whether they choose to abide by them: schoolsweek.co.uk/cancel-culture-gender-stereotypes-and-extreme-political-stances-what-new-dfe-guidance-says-about-rse/

FloralBunting · 28/09/2020 19:33

Phew, jj, bet that's a relief for you. I know you were really worried/not worried/pointing at squirrels.

AuntyPasta · 28/09/2020 19:38

🌲🌲🐿🌲🌲

It may look like a chipmunk but it identifies as a squirrel

Aesopfable · 28/09/2020 20:07

Why did you think they were statutory jj? Though, of course, you will also be aware that they can’t just ignore them either. Schools would have to have and give clear reasons for not following them.

Aesopfable · 28/09/2020 20:10

And of course as the guidelines are informing schools how to stay within the law they would need to be very careful if they did find a reason for not following them.

MichelleofzeResistance · 28/09/2020 20:28

The phrase 'legal duty' appears within the guideline at several strategic points.

This is all getting a bit sad now.

jj1968 · 28/09/2020 20:35

@Aesopfable

Why did you think they were statutory jj? Though, of course, you will also be aware that they can’t just ignore them either. Schools would have to have and give clear reasons for not following them.
No, they can just ignore them, as long as they follow what are the statutory guidelines here: www.gov.uk/government/publications/relationships-education-relationships-and-sex-education-rse-and-health-education
FloralBunting · 28/09/2020 20:40

jj, but aren't you happy they can ignore them? What with your commitment to making sure the suffragettes get into schools to talk to kids? How else will capitalism end, jj? Rejoice, jj! All your worries are for naught!

nauticant · 28/09/2020 20:43

As I look at the thread approaching 1000 posts all I can say is Thank You jj for your efforts to convince everyone nothing had really changed and so people should ignore this guidance and just move on.

People now know much more about a useful tool they've been given that can help them engage with schools and encourage the adoption of evidence based materials.

You've been a Star in the GC cause.

jj1968 · 28/09/2020 20:48

@nauticant

As I look at the thread approaching 1000 posts all I can say is Thank You jj for your efforts to convince everyone nothing had really changed and so people should ignore this guidance and just move on.

People now know much more about a useful tool they've been given that can help them engage with schools and encourage the adoption of evidence based materials.

You've been a Star in the GC cause.

Happy to help, challenging misinformation and conspiracy theories is far more important to me than scoring silly points in a partisan debate.
MichelleofzeResistance · 28/09/2020 20:54

So you've moved from 'I agree with the guidelines' to 'yippee, guidance on safeguarding children isn't compulsory'?

Hmm

Very glad you're happy.

FloralBunting · 28/09/2020 21:03

Michelle, it's all a bit 'shifting constellation' really. It's not changed anything, it's an open door to the very right wing, it's going to ban socialists and feminists from schools, it's very,very bad guidance, Amnesty hates it (and women, obvs), schools can ignore it anyway, whatevs, oo, another squirrel!

moptophairshop · 28/09/2020 21:29

Blimey, 38 pages. So many attempts to derail the original point of the thread.

Our head told us about the update in our staff meeting before school this morning. It was described as 'an important update on the new RSE curriculum'. She said she'd send us more information about it this week.

OFSTED are beginning their safeguarding inspections as of today. Even though the main focus is COVID-related, I'm sure heads will be making sure all aspects of safeguarding are water tight. Or they could, you know, chuck the new guidance in the bin. Grin

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