Updated relationships, sex and health curriculum guidance

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Updated government guidance, released today!!!

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I imagine it’s very very important to get the reverse ferret going on the radicalisation portal, while of course, simultaneously writing it off as an irrelevant backwater filled with silly mummies panicking over nothing.

What biased or dangerous information do you suppose that SSa or TT will have to change?

Yes. Excellent question. I am pretty sure they have not been scrambling around reverse ferreting and re-writing (sorry, "tweaking") their websites/training materials/resources. Pretty sure.

@persistentwoman

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Is there a Crowdfunder Board at Mumsnet?

Where is it?

@Roseburn

In their annual report they say they delivered training courses to 2,300 teachers. There are half a million teachers in the UK. So about one in 200 teachers have attended a short LGBT awareness training course with Stonewall

And that training is then cascaded throughout the school ( otherwise why train anyone at all?) by that teacher. And the school is captured. Its genius really.

Precisely. Schools can't afford to send everyone. So they send one, who then comes back to "share good practice" with the rest of the staff.

Indeed, the new guidelines ensure that Alex Drummond's gender identity must now not be undermined by the fact she has a beard.

You are missing the point here.

Drummond was getting the gig of going into schools & pontificating about Drummond's 'lesbian' credentials, beard & all, because schools thought - or at least some 'woke' PSHCE teachers & their Heads thought - that this was a great way to snaffle a few virtue signalling cookies.

Now more sensible colleagues can say 'woah hang on, this is all highly contentious & the govt guidelines actually say...'

& that's the end of it. School leadership teams do not like associating themselves with dodgy individuals & organisations, because they do not like seeing themselves taken the piss out of in the local press, or getting furious correspondence from parents.

They will err on the side of caution & veto the booking.

Alex & Alex's beard are OVER in schools.

@CorvusPurpureus

Indeed, the new guidelines ensure that Alex Drummond's gender identity must now not be undermined by the fact she has a beard.

You are missing the point here.

Drummond was getting the gig of going into schools & pontificating about Drummond's 'lesbian' credentials, beard & all, because schools thought - or at least some 'woke' PSHCE teachers & their Heads thought - that this was a great way to snaffle a few virtue signalling cookies.

Now more sensible colleagues can say 'woah hang on, this is all highly contentious & the govt guidelines actually say...'

& that's the end of it. School leadership teams do not like associating themselves with dodgy individuals & organisations, because they do not like seeing themselves taken the piss out of in the local press, or getting furious correspondence from parents.

They will err on the side of caution & veto the booking.

Alex & Alex's beard are OVER in schools.

There's no evidence Alex Drummond ever went into schools and talked about being a lesbian other than a tweet from Kathleen Stock based on something she heard from someone and that was never substantiated.

I'm not saying it never happened by the way. I have no idea, but she isn't a Stonewall trainer and she certainly isn't being routinely sent into schools to talk about being a lesbian.

This is kind of what I mean when I said it's a conspiracy theory. One unsubstantiated tweet based on a rumour, a couple of lines out of a report somewhere, a screenshot of a daft powerpoint slide, some joke a parents may have made years ago at the Tavistock, and it's all join the dots sheeple, they are transing the children. It's exactly how the likes of David Icke work, and it is quite astonishing how it has swept through a certain demographic of the population in the UK that is otherwise fairly well educated and would usually recognise such wild speculation, paucity of evidence and clearly biased and conspiratorial thinking.

It's no surprise that gender critical feminism is becoming mired in conspiracy theory when it utilises techniques like this. I noticed Harry Miller and Posie are due on Sonia Poulton's latest Covid denying conspiracy show tonight.

@Roseburn

In their annual report they say they delivered training courses to 2,300 teachers. There are half a million teachers in the UK. So about one in 200 teachers have attended a short LGBT awareness training course with Stonewall

And that training is then cascaded throughout the school ( otherwise why train anyone at all?) by that teacher. And the school is captured. Its genius really.

You must have a very low opinion of teachers if you think half a million of them can be brainwashed by one in 200 of them going on a short training course.

We can't, & we haven't been. But we have been made to fear for our jobs if we spoke out.

That's now over, too. Lots to celebrate tonight.

You obviously missed my question @jj1968 understandable the thread is moving quickly.

I’m really keen to understand what being trans actually means if it’s nothing to do with stereotypes as you say.

And further you talk of social transitioning, wearing different school uniform- so the stereotypical uniform associated with the opposite sex. I’m very confused as to why that would be necessary if being trans is nothing to do with stereotypes?

@jj1968 to be honest, even if it was a conspiracy theory, I'm still really pleased that the acknowledgements and actions of this week will help prevent continuation, and further ensuring appropriate care.

Child safeguarding is paramount. It doesn't take too many clicks through social media to find many many people and organisations who wish these decisions had gone a different way.

I sense you are deliberately goading here.

I have a very high opinion of teachers. I also believe that most schools do their outmost to keep their pupils safe.

My concern has been that there has been a misunderstanding in how gender aspects should be dealt with by the schools. Maybe even to the point that the law has been misunderstood or even in some cases misrepresented so that teachers were under the wrong impression that acting in accordance with their safeguarding training and common sense was illegal.

I am so happy that we all are on the same page on this thread and appreciate this clarification of the current legislation. This means that there will be no more misunderstandings, no more (god forbid) misrepresentations and all pupils can be kept safe in school and all legal requirements adhered to 👍.

I am also beyond happy that all harmful stereotypes will be discouraged.

What a great week it's been, in regards to this and Liz Truss, and I got JKR's new Strike novel last week, so happy! If only Covid-19 would take a hike.....

Damn this fremdscham of mine...

I cant watch stuff like Rogue Traders for the same reason...

@jj1968

That's not how schools work. I don't know if you are a teacher but when training takes place in a specific subject area then, in a secondary school, it would be the head of department attending, maybe one other teacher in a big school. In a primary it would be the lead for that area of the curriculum attending. If it was training on a whole-school policy it might be a member of SLT attending, e.g an assistant head.

Those heads of department/leads are then responsible for developing the curriculum in their school based on that training. Schools can't send a whole school for training-who would teach the kids on that day?? Teachers don't attend training on weekends and holidays and whole school INSET days are usually reserved for specific issues the school needs to address.

It's not a question of being 'brainwashed'-it's following the scheme of work as laid out by your head of department.

You must have a very low opinion of teachers if you think half a million of them can be brainwashed by one in 200 of them going on a short training course

I doubt half a million were brainwashed. I suspect many were fearful of losing their jobs for wrong think however.

Oh Happy Day!!

@Sexnotgender

You obviously missed my question *@jj1968* understandable the thread is moving quickly.

I’m really keen to understand what being trans actually means if it’s nothing to do with stereotypes as you say.

And further you talk of social transitioning, wearing different school uniform- so the stereotypical uniform associated with the opposite sex. I’m very confused as to why that would be necessary if being trans is nothing to do with stereotypes?

I've asked, several times, too. Answer came there none.

Shocked.

I'm quite sure no one here has said teachers were brainwashed
What did happen however was that guidance came in that many, many teachers were uncomfortable about yet felt silenced in raising concerns. Not long ago there was a thread on here about teachers. Someone (many m's in their name) screen shot some comments and put them on Twitter leading to all sorts of abusive messages about how we weren't fit to teach with such transphobic views and should be identified and reported. What was on that thread? Concerns over damaging genderstereotypes and safeguarding worries that have all now been cleared up in yesterday's update. So no, not brainwashing, just fear.

You must have a very low opinion of teachers if you think half a million of them can be brainwashed by one in 200 of them going on a short training course

No, but women who disagree being told they should be raped with a broken bottle and their children should get cancer and die a lingering death, does tend to have an affect.

I was talking to my year 11 son about this today. He goes to a grammar school with a big emphasis on maths and sciences, but it has a woke head of PSHE. I went to a parents' evening once and a picture of that stupid "genderbread person" was actually projected against the wall in the entrance foyer!

My son said that they had a lesson about all this gender shite. It was a PSHE class being taught by their biology teacher. Fancy expecting a biology teacher to teach this stuff?

A Muslim boy asked "are we expected to actually believe this stuff?" She said something along the lines that people may have religious reasons for not believing it "or other reasons".

I'm so happy that teachers will stop being pressured to teach this damaging doctrine.

Thank you Datun, far more succinct than my message!

In terms of Alex’s Input to schools. Alex is a member of Stonewalls Trans Advisory Group, part of whose remit is “Providing teachers with training and guidance on how to support trans young people”.

So it is not a conspiracy theory to suggest that Alex has had a hand in what is being taught to children. According to Stonewall, it’s a fact. It’s all there on their website underr “A Vision For Change: Acceptance Without Exception for trans people” from 2017.
”many of the organisations, schools and individuals that work directly with Stonewall will be approached to support the campaign, so that the widest possible audiences understand the importance of putting trans issues on the agenda”

I’m not sure you’re nearly as well informed on this topic as you think you are, jj.

@moptophairshop

Thank you Datun, far more succinct than my message!

Not at all. You said it first. And you're absolutely right, of course.

I've seen a lot of disgusting comments, but the one directed to Posie Parker about her children was the worst. The detail, and horrific creativity was not just difficult to read, but it makes you wonder what on earth kind of person could be even thinking like that.

And the answer is, those who don't want women to speak about this.

There seems to be some denial in this thread about the way Stonewall/Mermaids etc... training has cascaded down to schools and other educational groups. It's not a conspiracy in the slightest, it's a inbuilt feature of the model.

As an example, last year a woman called Abby posted on social media about going into schools as part of her new job as Inclusion Manager for the London Fire Brigade. She was going along to talk about LGBT+ issues, gender identity being part of that. Abby previously worked for Stonewall.

Which raises the question why is the fire brigade in schools teaching children RSE type stuff? If the fire brigade go into schools, as a parent I expect it to be about fire safety. Instead she was in there explaining things like changing your identity on your passport to 11 yr olds.

This sort of thing is what the new DofE guidance is targeting. Schools need to think about the appropriateness of outside organisations coming in to teach equality type stuff especially when the link is quite tangential.