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Nude Family swim at Stoke Waterworld

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VortexofBloggery · 24/09/2020 12:03

Flagged up by Sammy Woodhouse on Twitter.
mobile.twitter.com/sammywoodhouse1/status/1308822025797013509

Supported by who else but NSPCC.

Adults can buy a single ticket.

To Shut it down, Change petition here:
www.change.org/p/water-world-stop-nude-family-swim-session-for-adults-and-children-of-all-ages-at-water-world?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_24863394_en-GB%3A2&recruiter=1151217419&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=tap_basic_share

Attended by convicted paedophile
www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/4047602.convicted-brierfield-paedophile-member-naturist-club/

Unbelievable.

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Balhammom · 24/09/2020 19:24

@Handsoffisback

Why would I care what someone saw?

Any sensible person would care passionately about protecting a child from actual harm. However, lots of people will see them in the street everyday. As long as there is no harm to the child, what’s the difference?

RomanyBlood · 24/09/2020 19:26

I have no issues with nudity or naturism. We were not a ‘naturist’ family growing up but all used to strip off on a vast isolated stretch of beach in Norfolk because everyone just did. Ditto on beaches in Greece habituated by Germans.

It really is lovely going into the sea and swimming naked.

What I do have an issue with is lone adult tickets for a naturist ‘family’ swim. Have an adult swim , fine, let anyone in. But not lone adults in a Family Swim.

littlbrowndog · 24/09/2020 19:40

Omg if I was a young tween. Having to go swimming party naked with other families. Ffs. I would rather push a pin in my eye

The though5 of being naked in front of my brothers. Or my dad

Or strangers

SterFran00 · 24/09/2020 19:49

@RomanyBlood

I have no issues with nudity or naturism. We were not a ‘naturist’ family growing up but all used to strip off on a vast isolated stretch of beach in Norfolk because everyone just did. Ditto on beaches in Greece habituated by Germans.

It really is lovely going into the sea and swimming naked.

What I do have an issue with is lone adult tickets for a naturist ‘family’ swim. Have an adult swim , fine, let anyone in. But not lone adults in a Family Swim.

I understand your point, however, the journalists used the phrase ‘family swim’, when in reality it is family friendly, as in all ages - to distinguish between some events which are adult only.

It serves the media’s purpose to portray it in such a way to evoke a response (which I guess worked!!).

Lots of people meet their friends there, particularly the young adult naturists, so they would be buying single tickets and meeting up at the event.

Hence why it’s also a fallacy to assume that someone arriving ‘alone’ is a single person and ‘staying single’ for the evening. Most naturists know at least one or two other naturists at events, and often a lot more.

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onelostsoulswimminginafishbowl · 24/09/2020 20:23

Handsoff... I suggest that you never travel to other countries then. Or is this a case of your 'culture' being superior to others? Those pesky Europeans and Scandinavians that see nudity as something quite normal 🙄

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MandosHatHair · 24/09/2020 21:36

I have no idea what his intentions were anymore than you.

He had been convicted of child sex offences, why would you assume that his intentions were anything other than dodgy.

Yes I suppose my son's teacher or dance teacher etc could be a pervert, but as I said before it's about risk vs benefit, I could keep them locked away, but they wouldn't get a good education or learn any skills or get any exercise. Apart from you not having to pull your bikini straps up every so often, you haven't really explained what benefits your children receive from swimming nude that they would not get from swimming in swim suits.

Goosefoot · 24/09/2020 21:44

@MandosHatHair

I have no idea what his intentions were anymore than you.

He had been convicted of child sex offences, why would you assume that his intentions were anything other than dodgy.

Yes I suppose my son's teacher or dance teacher etc could be a pervert, but as I said before it's about risk vs benefit, I could keep them locked away, but they wouldn't get a good education or learn any skills or get any exercise. Apart from you not having to pull your bikini straps up every so often, you haven't really explained what benefits your children receive from swimming nude that they would not get from swimming in swim suits.

Naturists typically think that it's good to have a kind of body positivity that isn't built around sex, and to see all kinds of bodies at different stages of life. Rather than having to compare themselves to just young, slim, airbrushed bodies in sexual poses.
FireUnderTheHand · 24/09/2020 21:56

If you are an adult and want to swim naked for whatever reason do it with other adults or alone or whatever but keep it away from kids.

Don't bring kids into it and claim 'we're a naturist family' because your kids CAN'T consent to being a naturist. You don't live in the Amazon rainforest, this isn't normal in western modern society as the dangers are innumerable and safeguarding must be in play for the safety of children.

Topless swims fine (not for me but breasts shouldn't have to be covered IMO), genitals should always be covered in the eyeshot of children.

MandosHatHair · 24/09/2020 22:02

Goosefoot

You can see a diverse range of bodies at any normal swimming pool or beach, it's very rare to see anyone 'media worthy'. Why do they need thier clothes off to encourage body positivity?

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SterFran00 · 24/09/2020 22:30

@FireUnderTheHand

If you are an adult and want to swim naked for whatever reason do it with other adults or alone or whatever but keep it away from kids.

Don't bring kids into it and claim 'we're a naturist family' because your kids CAN'T consent to being a naturist. You don't live in the Amazon rainforest, this isn't normal in western modern society as the dangers are innumerable and safeguarding must be in play for the safety of children.

Topless swims fine (not for me but breasts shouldn't have to be covered IMO), genitals should always be covered in the eyeshot of children.

Naturists have children... they aren’t going to stop being naturists just because they have children.

Naturism is as normal for some in Western modern society as lots of other things are.

You’re fine with topless, cool.

If naturism is not for you and your family, that’s absolutely fine.

I’ve loved our journey with naturism as a family and it has brought wonderful experiences, close friendships and positive relationships with each other and how we relate to ourselves and our bodies and the wider world. I wouldn’t change it at all.

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FireUnderTheHand · 24/09/2020 22:56

Naturists typically think that it's good to have a kind of body positivity that isn't built around sex, and to see all kinds of bodies at different stages of life. Rather than having to compare themselves to just young, slim, airbrushed bodies in sexual poses.

I get that I really do and think it is a beautiful sentiment but I don't find it pragmatic as a rule (but entirely based on my culture and life experience admittedly). I am fine with going to clothing optional beaches and I wear a bikini because I am not comfortable with people I don't know seeing my body nude (regardless of whether or not they look). Being in the presence of an unknown nude child would evoke great despair and discomfort for me.

Helping my mom bathe my great grandma and helping my grandma post surgery as a child and having them bathe me makes sense, showers/baths with my dad stopped at about 5yrs old (when I asked the dreaded question) and all of those innocent interactions that occur in a loving family dynamic with innocent purpose are understandable and expected IMO. What I don't get is family recreational nudity and nudity around strangers.

In regards to children I stand by what I said, respectfully however, if I came off judgmental my apologies perhaps I should have said it isn't appropriate in the US and from what I understand it isn't appropriate in the UK either (am I misunderstanding?).

Traveling overseas is awesome but very expensive as a US resident citizen so I have had limited opportunity to travel overseas beyond work trips. Respecting customs and 'doing as the Romans' is exciting and new but that stops short of nudity for me as a personal preference.

This (the concept of naturists and cultures with similar perspectives) is quite an interesting discussion.

FireUnderTheHand · 24/09/2020 23:05

I’ve loved our journey with naturism as a family and it has brought wonderful experiences, close friendships and positive relationships with each other and how we relate to ourselves and our bodies and the wider world. I wouldn’t change it at all.

Okay I can see your point, if I may, do you practice in public (i.e. strangers, friends, extended family) or private (immediate family) places?

Are you confident that your children do not experience distress and/or that it doesn't affect their abilities to create and enforce boundaries?

Again I am not a parent and am not judging, I was a child once as we all were and am curious if I can make sense of what you are saying through my childhood lens.

I am not asking for a 'gotcha' or any disingenuous reason(s) - I am genuinely trying to understand your perspective.

Please do not feel obliged to answer unless you are totally cool with it.

Thanks in advance!

SterFran00 · 24/09/2020 23:13

@Handsoffisback

So again, forcing their children to be naked in front of strangers because it’s the adults hobby! I have clearly entered a parallel universe where safe guarding doesn’t exist and people don’t actually give a shit about their children.
Nope, you’ve misinterpreted (again)

My point about naturists having children is that it is a core value and lifestyle. You don’t stop who you are because you have children. Naturism isn’t a hobby.

And if you are forcing children at any point in your life against their will, then that lies with you as a parent...

SterFran00 · 24/09/2020 23:52

@FireUnderTheHand

I’ve loved our journey with naturism as a family and it has brought wonderful experiences, close friendships and positive relationships with each other and how we relate to ourselves and our bodies and the wider world. I wouldn’t change it at all.

Okay I can see your point, if I may, do you practice in public (i.e. strangers, friends, extended family) or private (immediate family) places?

Are you confident that your children do not experience distress and/or that it doesn't affect their abilities to create and enforce boundaries?

Again I am not a parent and am not judging, I was a child once as we all were and am curious if I can make sense of what you are saying through my childhood lens.

I am not asking for a 'gotcha' or any disingenuous reason(s) - I am genuinely trying to understand your perspective.

Please do not feel obliged to answer unless you are totally cool with it.

Thanks in advance!

No problem and I’ll try my best!

To be honest, I don’t really see it as ‘practising’ naturism. It’s just how we are as family. So, within the home when it’s just us as a family, however anyone is dressed is accepted and doesn’t raise a comment or response. So, if someone walks into a room naked cos it’s warm, or half dressed or fully dressed, that’s all cool and it wouldn’t be of any matter to anyone. Same as if someone is showering in the bathroom, and someone knocks and is then shouted in, that’s cool too. We don’t have a lock on the door and we often don’t mind others coming and chatting to us if we are bathing for example.

We get dressed or undressed in front of each other and that isn’t an issue either.

As for outside the home, so, we came across a naturist beach when our children were small. They were practically naked anyway, as littlies often like to be on beaches. We decided to stay and visited that beach everyday cos we loved it so much. It was so freeing, the kids were happy, there was no pressure to hide behind towels trying to peel off wet costumes etc, it was just refreshingly lovely, and easy, and so simple. We just enjoyed it, and could see that for other families on that beach, they enjoyed it and were relaxed and happy too.

At that point we learned that naturism was a ‘thing’. We hadn’t even heard of it.

We found that it was also something you could do in England, by discovering British Naturism who are the UK naturist organisation, so we booked onto a family naturist camping weekend and there made our first naturist friends who we are still friends with today.

From there it was just exploring naturism both in England and abroad on holiday.

You mention ‘in public’ but it doesn’t feel like that (and also it isn’t anyway) - It’s part of a community, so you just understand straight away that you are with like minded people - and not just like minded but warm and friendly and welcoming. It’s a lovely community, non judgemental and just enjoying their naturist lives.

You also ask about my children being distressed, and my answer is no - hopefully you can see because as I’ve described above, it’s part of how we are and how we spend some of our time. Our children have grown up with it as part of our family life, they’ve made friends, enjoyed holidays, waterparks, camping... Nudity itself isn’t distressing, for us it’s just normal and a comfortable way to sunbathe or swim or chill...

We talk a lot as a family, so we discuss all sorts of things. Hence why I don’t believe naturism has any detrimental effect on our children’s abilities to create or enforce boundaries. Being in a respectful naturist environment role models what simple nudity is and should be and that it’s safe and comfortable. And from there, as I mentioned in a precious comment, everything around boundaries etc can be discussed as any parent would do...

I’ve seen naturists’ friend’s children older than mine grow up into adulthood, navigate forming respectful relationships, all from the context of a naturist upbringing.

There are so many ways to be as a family, to raise children. No family looks the same, but having naturism as part of it has only enhanced ours...

I hope that helps!

StillNotAGirl · 24/09/2020 23:55

I'm relaxed about (other people's) nudity in some contexts. A naturists arranging a family swim wouldn't tend to concern me (I'd be relieved my parents hadn't made me do that sort of thing and not too keen on using a slide someone's bare arse had slid down)

What I am absolutely not prepared to accept as ok is a naturist swim encouraging family's to attend that Is knowingly selling a ticket to a convicted pedophile and that is what we're talking about here.

StephenKong · 24/09/2020 23:57

Adults can buy a single ticket?! Wtf?

SterFran00 · 25/09/2020 00:05

@StillNotAGirl

I'm relaxed about (other people's) nudity in some contexts. A naturists arranging a family swim wouldn't tend to concern me (I'd be relieved my parents hadn't made me do that sort of thing and not too keen on using a slide someone's bare arse had slid down)

What I am absolutely not prepared to accept as ok is a naturist swim encouraging family's to attend that Is knowingly selling a ticket to a convicted pedophile and that is what we're talking about here.

Convicted paedophiles cannot be members of British Naturism... If you are talking about the article linked to the OP, it’s a case form 2008 where police notified British Naturism and the guy had his membership withdrawn.
StillNotAGirl · 25/09/2020 00:09

And those saying what the problem with pedophiles looking at children as long as they don't do anything. I still remember aged around 7 realising a man had positioned himself on the promenade above the beach so he could watch me get undressed As the towel I was using only screened me from people at the beach. I didn't understand why he was watching me but I still felt dirty and the memory stayed with me.

StephenKong · 25/09/2020 00:10

My point about naturists having children is that it is a core value and lifestyle. You don’t stop who you are because you have children. Naturism isn’t a hobby.
Core value? I don't think you fully understand what a core value is (or else you are extremely odd).