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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jk trans character and Robert Galbraith

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TheTamingOfTheresa · 15/09/2020 15:42

I’ve been speaking out in support of JK on social media but there’s an avalanche of criticism of her latest Trans murderer character plus her using the name Robert Galbraith which apparently was the name of some historical anti gay figure. What do people think is the best way to counter this?

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BaronessWrongCrowd · 15/09/2020 15:45

I'd ask them if they've actually read the book because I bet you that they haven't. If they say they have, then I'd ask which plot points have offended them. Catch them out.

PenguindreamsofDraco · 15/09/2020 15:51

I'd tell them to fuck off and stop being so fucking stupid, but I am seriously pissed off with all this crap right now, so you may not want to take that approach Grin

Aposterhasnoname · 15/09/2020 15:51

The murderer in her books is not trans. They are a man who disguised himself as a woman. Anyone who compares the character to a trans woman is tacitly admitting that they see trans women as men disguised as women. Sounds pretty transphobic to me.

JoodyBlue · 15/09/2020 15:52

I agree with @BaronessWrongCrowd and also there is this www.theguardian.com/books/2013/jul/24/jk-rowling-robert-galbraith-harry-potter. It is pretty amazing going if they have read it all. It was only released today. Compliment their intelligence ;)

purpleboy · 15/09/2020 15:53

Google why she chose that name, that will counter that argument. Ask them if they have already read the book? You can guarantee they haven't and are jumping on the bandwagon, making them rather ill informed.

Lordamighty · 15/09/2020 15:54

The theory about the origins of the name Robert Galbraith are an internet fairy story, a bit like 5G being the origins of the coronavirus. The new book only comes out today, have they read it already? If not then they are just part of the mob mentality hounding JKR.

purpleboy · 15/09/2020 15:54

Maybe read the book yourself and make your own decision, fact rather helps an argument.

Kit19 · 15/09/2020 15:55

She explained back in 2013 where the name comes from but I suspect facts don’t go down well with ppl who think murder & rape threats against someone they disagree with are fine

www.theguardian.com/books/2013/jul/24/jk-rowling-robert-galbraith-harry-potter

JoodyBlue · 15/09/2020 15:55

Also @TheTamingofTheresa big thumbs up for standing up for a brave woman who has done nothing but stand for other women. It is not easy, someone said to me today, "where there is fear, there is courage" in fact "without fear there is no courage". Well done!!

AskDan · 15/09/2020 15:58

I would purchase the book yourself and then form your own view. I don't think you can counter argue the point without reading the book.

334bu · 15/09/2020 15:59

Galbraith is supposedly the middle__ name of some person advocating gay conversion therapy. A name which he seemingly never used. But hey ho what does reality have to do with any of this!

TheTamingOfTheresa · 15/09/2020 16:00

Thanks @JoodyBlue. I have had a couple of really upsetting arguments over it and been unfriended and unfollowed . Very pleased to have discovered the MN tribe for support x

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movingmuddle · 15/09/2020 16:03

The stuff about the name being linked to a historical anti-gay figure is just horseshit, it's been thoroughly debunked. At the time she chose the name, this person wasn't known about, it's just nonsense.

Also, the only source we have on this is Pink News so far I think? And given their vendetta against JK, plus their casual relationship with actual facts I'm going to reserve judgement until I know what's in the book.

The Guardian have done a review, but make no mention of a trans murderer.

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Someone online (I have no idea if it's true) said the cross dressing character is a suspect but not actually the murderer.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 15/09/2020 16:05

Tiresome and still lies!

  1. Robert Glbraith has been explained ad nausuem
  1. How many of those who Twatter have read all 900+ pages of a book that was released today ? Did they all get advance copies? Of a writer they despise?
  1. The character is not trans. Or is only as trans as any other person who chooses to pop on a dress. How transphobic it is to see him/her as anything other than he/she chooses to identify... if a fictional character can identify... or be trasned...
  1. How far back does their literary knowledge go?

Ancient Greeks
Achilles dressed as a girl by his mum to escape his fate
Aphroditus worshippers were men in women's clothing and women in men's clothing and false beards.

Norse legends?
Take a look at Hervor and Frotho

Hindu... yep! Chinese? Oh yes!

Almost all storytellers have used it as a plot twist, forever!

Even Mr bloody Rochester did it, FFS!

Piffle!

WildAboutMyPlanet · 15/09/2020 16:27

I went to Goodreads to see the reviews because people on there get advanced copies So might shed some light on the plot but....

www.goodreads.com/book/show/51807232-troubled-blood?from_search=true&from_srp=jvoDGagvvD&qid=1

movingmuddle · 15/09/2020 16:27

I wonder if it was this crossdressing character that got JK into this whole debate in the first place.

She was dragged into it when she liked a couple of GC posts and the TRAs came down on her like a ton of bricks.

IIRC, she said at the time it had been a slip of the finger, and later she said she'd been researching for a book at the time.

Was it this book she was researching for? Seems likely to me.

If so, then do the TRAs only have themselves to blame for JK Rowling, the gloriously outspoken defender of women's rights? Had they not given her such a hard time for merely liking a couple of tweets, perhaps she might not have spoken out?

Delicious irony if so...

edgeware · 15/09/2020 16:29

Thanks to all the twitter controversy I found out that the new Strike book was out and purchased it right away, cheers!

Malahaha · 15/09/2020 16:30

The Mahabharata, the great Hindu epic, has TWO cross-dressing/trans main characters: a princess who by a special mantra becomes a man in order to become a warrior and kill her worst enemy; and the great hero Arjuna falls under a curse to become a eunuch for a year. He dresses up as a woman and has great fun in the women's quarters teaching the girls to sing and dance (quite innocently).

I think the TRAs need to go after Hinduism for this mockery of trans. It's disgraceful.

midgebabe · 15/09/2020 16:40

Shakespeare also has the twins cross dressing
...twelfth night , guess he is transphobic also

WackyDuck · 15/09/2020 16:49

If the character is deemed to be trans, perhaps it's the misuse of pronouns that's causing such a frenzy? I'm actually surprised that I've not seen anything regards this, as pronouns seem to be at the forefront of the debate, and mis-pronouning is akin to violence is it not?

Or perhaps it is just a man in a dress after all..........

ChickenonaMug · 15/09/2020 16:52

TheTamingOfTheresa This Twitter thread explains how the story of Robert Galbraith Heath was plucked from obscurity 3 years after JK Rowling began using the pen name Robert Galbraith. The tweeter Robert Colville, who has a blue tick, is the person who found the forgotten story of Heath, researched him, wrote about him and brought him to people’s attention. As Colvile explains, it is not possible that JKR could have known about the US psychiatrist Robert Galbraith Heath, who was known anyway as Robert /Bob Heath, before she chose her pseudonym.

mobile.twitter.com/rcolvile/status/1270794437967392771

ChickenonaMug · 15/09/2020 16:54

Sorry, I will try again with the link.

mobile.twitter.com/rcolvile/status/1270794437967392771?lang=en

DialSquare · 15/09/2020 16:56

I'm aware of someone who dressed up as a woman to rob banks. He wasn't trans. He used it as a disguise to commit crime. So by the TRA reaction to the latest book, they are saying he was actually Trans. He committed the crimes and went to prison for it eventually being shot and killed in a gang land killing. So surely his crimes should be marked up as committed by a transwoman now by this logic. They can't have it both ways.

SummerSnapdragon · 15/09/2020 17:09

Bought my copy from Audible this morning can't wait to get started on it at 30 hours long it will take a while!Smile

Mollscroll · 15/09/2020 17:16

Wind in the Willows is totally transphobic because Toad - the convicted criminal - disguises himself as a washerwoman to escape from prison. Hateful vileness among Edwardian riverbank animals.