Jk trans character and Robert Galbraith

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I’ve been speaking out in support of JK on social media but there’s an avalanche of criticism of her latest Trans murderer character plus her using the name Robert Galbraith which apparently was the name of some historical anti gay figure. What do people think is the best way to counter this?

Apparently we should be watching gmb right now, rose of dawn on it about this.

I hate that show, not watching. Rose of Dawn is ok but they still think they should be accepted in some cases as a woman.

@Aposterhasnoname

The murderer in her books is not trans. They are a man who disguised himself as a woman. Anyone who compares the character to a trans woman is tacitly admitting that they see trans women as men disguised as women. Sounds pretty transphobic to me.

That's exactly what people do on here though. Eg object to trans women in loos because "any man in a dress could walk in" Constantly conflated with predators, and always denied that doing so is transphobic if challenged. So seems a bit hmmm that now it's wanting ways to discredit trans people's experiences, suddenly it's not transphobic if used as a "gotcha?"

object to trans women in loos because "any man in a dress could walk in"

No I object to transwomen in female spaces because they’re male and the space isn’t meant for them.

@purpleboy

Maybe read the book yourself and make your own decision, fact rather helps an argument.

This.

FFS how hard is it? I started it on Audible yesterday while doing something 2 hours in - no sign of that character. These people who hate her must have raced through the book to KNOW it is transphobic or they are judging and being arseholes about it in complete IGNORANCE.

Like many here I am fed up of this and really, really, angry about it too.

Eg object to trans women in loos because "any man in a dress could walk in"

No, we object to males feeling entitled to walk into female spaces. By and large women weren't so concerned before the concept of self ID and the ludicrous extension of 'trans' by Stonewall to explicitly include cross dressers. One of their publications said trans applies to anyone who says they are for whatever reason. It was obvious to many 'old school transsexuals' with a GRA how problematic this was likely to be for them.

The character dresses in a woman's clothes and wears a wig to carry out an attack. I haven't read the book, but from the excerpt quoted in one of the articles, this results in the police having an inaccurate description of the perpetrator, which makes it less likely that he is caught.

So a man who wears a disguise in order to commit a crime somehow reflects badly on people who look a bit like he did in his disguise, and it paints them all as criminals. Or something. If he had instead worn a police uniform as a disguise, would that reflect badly on the police and imply that all police officers are criminals?

That's exactly what people do on here though.
Eg object to trans women in loos because "any man in a dress could walk in"

No, it's Self ID that is the problem. WHY do we have to keep explaining this?

Yes, Self ID problem on here, but also trans women full stop too (as one of the above comments show since I posted) even if you personally think trans women should be allowed in.
It's clear that's not the usual stance, that it's not just self ID for a lot of posters.

Female spaces for females.

Male spaces for males.

Not hard is it?

Just watched the GMB interview. It was very good.

Rose of Dawn was very articulate and explained it very well.

@Quaagars

Yes, Self ID problem on here, but also trans women full stop too (as one of the above comments show since I posted) even if you personally think trans women should be allowed in. It's clear that's not the usual stance, that it's not just self ID for a lot of posters.

What is a transwoman then? Under Stonewall's definition we are including cross dressers, men with beard who do very little to alter their presentations. When you are saying this what do YOU mean by transwoman? Anyone who says they feel like a woman? Or someone going through the whole process that used to be in place ensuring safeguards or someone who has done all that and had SRS? What do you mean by it?

The issue is that now it is anyone who says they are trans which means everyone will be judged by that ie. no male bodied people at all under self ID in women's spaces, sports, prisons etc.

@Quaagars

Yes, Self ID problem on here, but also trans women full stop too (as one of the above comments show since I posted) even if you personally think trans women should be allowed in. It's clear that's not the usual stance, that it's not just self ID for a lot of posters.

It’s clear to me that FWR posters are not one mind (good!) so different posters have different boundaries and different feelings about what is acceptable and what isn’t. For example, for me if someone has a medical diagnosis of GD I don’t mind sharing a toilet. I do mind sharing a shower or communal changing area, or any open area where I would be undressed. Other people feel differently and have different arguments to back up their boundaries. Some are ok using Requested pronouns and some aren’t. At least we can talk about it. I hope we don’t get into our own purity spiral about what is acceptable and what isn’t without being able to debate it.

Ask them if they have already read the book?

Better still, ask them if they have ever read a book.

I'm half way thorough it and there are a few references to a man who likes to wear ladies clothes. Many murder mystery books have had this types of plot including an Agatha Christie novel that had a woman who dressed as a man to trick people! I can't remember it's name but I remember thinking ' that's a bit different'
Many real life murderers have cross dressed and many fictional stories have similar themes. The twitter hate crowds don't pick on them do they?
It's fiction and the whole thing is just because of J K Rowling's views on trans women. Whatever your own views , if you don't like her or the books then don't read them ! All this hate for her is sad.
It's so disheartening and I would just say read what she has written about the subject and educate yourself , but people don't unfortunately. I think she is awesome for speaking out when she could easily stay quiet.
#bekind doesn't seem to be the case here at all. Twitter is so evil.

What is a transwoman then? Under Stonewall's definition we are including cross dressers, men with beard who do very little to alter their presentations.

So under Stonewall's definition, the character in JK Rowling's book is trans, because he's a crossdresser. Because Stonewall don't distinguish between people who crossdress because they think they have a feminine gender identity and people who crossdress as a fetish and people who crossdress as a disguise to commit crime.

Is this why there is an outcry? Because TRAs view a crossdresser like this as a genuinely trans vulnerable person?

So under Stonewall's definition, the character in JK Rowling's book is trans, because he's a crossdresser.

This just gets better and better (and betterer).

I think the outcry is because people think that JK Rowling thinks that trans people are cross dressers and therefore this is her depiction of trans people which is paints them as criminals. Regardless of whether cross dressers are trans or not (they can be, according to Stonewall, if they say they are).

Should Silence of the Lambs or Psycho be banned then? Taxi drivers are often serial killers in fiction (Sherlock, Luther etc) as they hold a position of trust. You don't see real cab drivers throwing a fit that it reflects badly on them...

To be fair the outcry is mainly because JKR is a woman who won’t sit down and shut up. But that doesn’t convince enough people so the stuff above is the actual argument I’ve seen.

I think the outcry is because people think that JK Rowling thinks that trans people are cross dressers

But Stonewall also think that some trans people are crossdressers. Should Stonewall be cancelled too?

these people understand nothing of either fiction or freedom of expression. I wouldn't waste my time on them. How many female murderer characters have been written by men? How many female victims have been "murdered" in the most titilating manner possible by countless male writers of all genres? How many of us have ever objected? And even if we have, how many were ever listened to?!

I suppose those authors (Thomas Harris) have never said anything outright about the modern day trans movement. Because that is what they are really afraid is under attack. (TBf that’s an assumption I’ve made. Maybe they have and they get away with it?).

Stonewall thinks cross dressers can be trans - that’s different from saying trans people are cross dressers. (Think, females can have periods, but not all women do)