Harry’s doing bad day for S organisation again...

[GiantKitten]

Says it’s tomorrow

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Of course they will do that - going for the player instead of the ball is the oldest and laziest trick in the book. It's also what you do when you've no proper arguments.

Well played Fair Cop and Safe Schools Alliance and particularly that teenager who, I'm ashamed to say, is far more courageous than I am.

I also think it is a great example of actually having to listen to what the future women's leaders think of this manoeuvring to completely change their future prospects and safety is part of this.

Just like Keira's case will force people to understand that the 'believe people are what they say they are' and then ... 'oh, they were never trans in the first place' is simply inane.

Just like Ann's case against HR Commission and the Sonia Appleby's Safeguarding case and Alison Bailey's case and Helen Watt's Girlguiding case, and Harry's case, and Maya's case.

In each of these cases, Stonewall has been a part of whether providing misrepresented advice about the Equality Act, or other advice to organisations about their policies so that organisation can be a 'champion' or simply through perpetuating mantra's and giving credence to pseudo science where there is no actual fact to back these theories up.

And this is just the current cases. The future will be bleak I think.

But yes, to me, it is the complete lack of scrutiny that seems to have been done within government that has allowed this lobby group to have the power to mis shape the governments own intention for the law that the come into legislation.

There should be a complete rerun of hansard to remind current MPs just what was voted for and the intentions behind it.

And the platitudes that were handed out that protections will not be lost have been blown away.

@MrsJamin

Annoying how the TRAs are focusing on the age of the young woman, insinuating that she is being groomed to say this stuff. As if! This is how toxic this situation has got, that she had to resort to legal action to prevent children from having to accept males in her spaces.

If 12 year olds are old enough to know their own minds and go on puberty blockers which put them on a pathway to potential infertility, why can’t a 14 year old express their discomfort with mixed sex facilities being imposed on them and coercive guidance being used in schools?

@MrsJamin

Annoying how the TRAs are focusing on the age of the young woman, insinuating that she is being groomed to say this stuff. As if! This is how toxic this situation has got, that she had to resort to legal action to prevent children from having to accept males in her spaces.

One day they'll write a script that they all frickin stick to!

Because they think it's fine for children to consent to medication which could destroy their fertility, along with all the other side effects, yet when a 14 year old speaks out to try and defend her sex based rights, she must be being groomed, used as a puppet, too young to be taking on something like this 🙄 Make up your damn minds, people.

I applaud her, whoever she is. This is the very opposite of being groomed. She's hopefully putting a stop to the grooming of girls everywhere.

I think these people should be directing their anger at Stonewall. Instead of doing things by the book, they've gone about this slyly. They've done themselves, and the people they're supposed to be helping, no favours at all.

Award plaques and pretty badges, and wine and dine awards evenings also need to be looked into.

Anyone can hold them, anyone can set criteria - if they have the money behind them to make them pretty and cover the campaigning and advertising. Looks really nice, makes an organisation look really great quite easily and cheaply - and signs an organisation up to a political lobby and keeping faith with them.

@MrsJamin

Annoying how the TRAs are focusing on the age of the young woman, insinuating that she is being groomed to say this stuff. As if! This is how toxic this situation has got, that she had to resort to legal action to prevent children from having to accept males in her spaces.

What is the word? Projection?

*Award plaques and pretty badges, and wine and dine awards evenings also need to be looked into.

Hasn't money gone to Stonewall from Government coffers, so without our say so, we've been funding our own demise. That's a pretty odd thing for us to do dontya think?

Bring on the public enquiry

MrsJamin
Annoying how the TRAs are focusing on the age of the young woman, insinuating that she is being groomed to say this stuff. As if! This is how toxic this situation has got, that she had to resort to legal action to prevent children from having to accept males in her spaces.

The usual inability to believe that a female or child could really have a strong feeling of distress or a problem with accepting males into their spaces.

And a rush to find as many ways as possible to not listen to them, and to know better than they do what their problem is and why it's not actually a problem. Even when it's a teen. The utter disrespect and inability to listen or have empathy is unfortunately becoming trademark.

TRAs say Miss A is being manipulated from behind the scenes by adults; climate change deniers say the same of Greta Thunberg. Funny, I never heard anyone say it of Malalia Yousafzai when she was a similar age.

The teenage activist survivors of the Florida school shooting had the same accusations levelled at them.

Anything to silence unpopular or uncomfortable messages, I guess.

I do actually feel uneasy at the way climate change movements promoted Greta Thunberg as a figurehead while she was still a child. I thought that was unhealthy. And likewise if this girl were to become the face of GC feminism and started getting invitations to address the UN then I would have the same misgivings. Somehow I can't see that happening but I do hope her identity remains unknown.

The girl will be remaining anonymous, and she won't be creating any videos as I saw one TRA request on Twitter. She does not see herself as a figurehead - her perspective is that of young woman, raised to be open minded and articulate, who has had family reasons to be very aware of the relevant issues, and feels that she is in a fortunate position as a mid-teenager who can actually make a difference rather than getting frustrated at being powerless. Of the curated messages she has seen, the ones that thank her on behalf of their children, and speak of everyone doing their bit, have been her favourites.

Good - that's absolutely as it should be.

The girl will be remaining anonymous, and she won't be creating any videos as I saw one TRA request on Twitter

God, I think I saw that one-wanted to see a video of her as 'proof' she wasn't being used How sinister did that come across? Especially coming from a side that love doxing, harassing and threatening anyone who dares to ask questions.

Yeah, I'm not on twitter, but I saw that and thought "Pal, you want a video of my daughter? NOT HAPPENING."

@MichelleofzeResistance

Award plaques and pretty badges, and wine and dine awards evenings also need to be looked into.

Anyone can hold them, anyone can set criteria - if they have the money behind them to make them pretty and cover the campaigning and advertising. Looks really nice, makes an organisation look really great quite easily and cheaply - and signs an organisation up to a political lobby and keeping faith with them.

Very definitely. Especially the ones that award ministers and others in positions of authority and influence for doing something they haven't actually quite done yet

Fine when it is all water under the bridge and everyone has reflected, but they seem to be a bit ahead of themselves with many of these 'awards'

Sadly I'd say Jonathan Slater (prev head of dept of education) has 'deserved' his Senior Stonewall 2019 award by getting gender identity into the RSE curriculum.

Would it be a good idea to have a separate thread about this? I’m just thinking that the title does not reveal the real point- brave 14 year old girl applying for judicial review etc.

I'd very much hope full anonymity is provided for this girl at all stages, she should not have to stand under media criticism nor deal with the less nice/kind factions of the lobby likely to be displeased with her in order to ask for consideration of her legal rights.

But as a child faced with the real situation the adults of Stonewall have inflicted upon her, with actual skin in the game, she has every right to voice her feelings and have that voice be heard, and to be given a legal fair hearing.

@HappenedXo

Would it be a good idea to have a separate thread about this? I’m just thinking that the title does not reveal the real point- brave 14 year old girl applying for judicial review etc.

Yes I think that would be a very good idea

@MichelleofzeResistance

I'd very much hope full anonymity is provided for this girl at all stages, she should not have to stand under media criticism nor deal with the less nice/kind factions of the lobby likely to be displeased with her in order to ask for consideration of her legal rights.

But as a child faced with the real situation the adults of Stonewall have inflicted upon her, with actual skin in the game, she has every right to voice her feelings and have that voice be heard, and to be given a legal fair hearing.

I want to assure people the girls anonymity is guaranteed. Just like the teenager in the OCC case. Her name isn't on any court documents and only a handful of people know who she is. The CPS do not know who she is. Ssauk has turned down media requests for her and her family, even though anonymity has been guaranteed. It's just not happening. We have been clear from the start that SSA will do the public facing stuff. She had to instruct a lawyer and provide a written statement so she won't have to appear in court. Her lawyer would not have taken her as a client if any coercion was suspected. The words attributed to her are her words.

Judicial reviews have to be brought by the people they impact. These policies and alliances impact teenage girls so without them there isn't a case.

Just wanted to clear a few things up.

Yeah, it would be nice to have a thread about a courageous young woman not titled after a bloke, however decent he is.

Thanks for that 2falls and sorry if I started something there, it was not my intention. But it's very reassuring to know. And also very humbling to hear about so much courage a teenager.

Wow. She really is definition of ‘Stunning and Brave’.

Annoying how the TRAs are focusing on the age of the young woman, insinuating that she is being groomed to say this stuff
Ah, it’s not their fault, the poor lambs, it’s because the TRAs only have access to a dictionary where the word Irony has been removed.

Yes, to underline it clearly, Dd's lawyer has spoken at length to her a number of times as each stage has progressed, and each time everyone involved has been very careful to ensure she is fully onboard with going ahead. There is no coercion, either negative pressure or starry eyed praise. As wonderful as everyone's support is, I know how overwhelming it would be for a 15yo to be a celebrity, so she is content to leave any engagement on this well alone. Although she was arguing about rape and victim blaming with some MRA trolls a few days ago, because she is committed to feminism in her teenagery way. Today she's just listening to the new BTS single on a loop. Protecting kids is the reason this is happening. There isn't the slightest chance of us putting her in a vulnerable or dangerous position.