Nigella Lawson - another disappointment

[Kit19]

Any celebrity who thinks we should all just be kiiiiinddd

Sigh. I have read it all. All I have seen is you stating you should be allowed to disagree.

I, and several others have asked several questions for clarification about what it is that you disagree with.

It's fine if you're not really sure. Debate helps to crystallize our opinions and understand why we think what we do. We can all each other questions and find out what we all think and why, and whether our views stand up to logical criticism.

But I'm struggling to see any opinion except that you should be free to disagree.

Absolutely, you totally are free to disagree! People here are waiting with bated breath for an explanation of what it is you disagree with.

So nothing useful then Quaagars no actual position, or debate, or point.

Just here for the lolz and to tell everyone you already answered that question, on the thread, earlier, go read, and if you can’t find it, it’s because you don’t agree with it, and anyway I also answered it on another thread lol

Your linguist signature is telling.

Maybe my question is not clear.

A TW goes into a hospital ward. How does the TW decide if it is safe to be on the men's ward? How does the TW tell if one of the men is likely to do harm to them?

Quaagers

Instead of argueing, why not engage? In your opinion, how can the differing needs of transwomen and women be met?

Do you think both should be given differing spaces ect, or should one group have to back down?

it’s because you don’t agree with it, and anyway I also answered it on another thread lol

nope, never said that

Just here for the lolz

Nope

Do you think both should be given differing spaces ect, or should one group have to back down
I have no problem with trans women in the toilets. I've probably in my 40 odd years come across a trans woman and not known it, who polices who goes in and out? Plenty of "passing"
I object to anyone who is biologically male is automatically a threat out to rape us and that's where I feel our differences lie.
Maybe that's why I can accept trans women.
They're not all automatically a threat.
Regardless of what some on here would have you believe.

Why do people like Quaagars come onto these threads and start talking about toilets?

Why are you obsessed with toilets Quaagars?

I thought all the men in the men's toilets made it too unsafe for the tw to use safely. That was the whole point of having to use ours (move over women, be kind, etc). But now they're safe enough to come into the ladies' without our consent? Gosh, that seems very inconsistent.

Why do people like Quaagars come onto these threads and start talking about toilets?

No, really not - was replying to a post already mentioning them Toilets were already mentioned, nice try ir should we pretend that didn't happen

Why are you obsessed with toilets Quaagars?
Nope, really not lol I think I mentioned them once fully expect someone to go through with a comb and see I mentioned more than once lol

Ok, thanks for sharing that opinion. I don't think its a controversial one though, as no one on this thread has said all men are out to rape.

Im interested to understand why do you believe we have single sex spaces in the first place. There must be a reason?

How do we tell who are the safe men and who aren't?

Oh yes I give up, it's like trying to play chess with a pigeon.

lol

Should have been FFS Not yes - damn you autocorrect!

I don't think its a controversial one though, as no one on this thread has said all men are out to rape

Though it is said that all men are a danger and a rape threat.
As I said, depends where you come on this view.
All people.

Oh yes I give up, it's like trying to play chess with a pigeon

lol

Too right lolz, shit all over the board as much you like in assertion you're right, that's up to you, but I know where I'm happy standing.
Each to their own

No, really not - was replying to a post already mentioning them
Toilets were already mentioned, nice try ir should we pretend that didn't happen

No they weren't, you replied to a post which said "Do you think both should be given differing spaces ect, or should one group have to back down" with a comment about toilets. The other person didn't mention toilets.

Quagaars do you work in politics? I have to hand it to you, your ability to dodge direct questions and change the subject are truly first class. You would be a great speech writer.

Regardless of what some on here would have you believe.

It's been said plenty of times by different posters that no one here believes transwomen are automatically a threat. Some will be, some will not.

That would be really unfair of us to imply. Same as we're well aware that not all men are automatically a threat. But we don't take chances because the consequences are awful.

Segregating by gender is taking a massive chance. It's taking anyone at their word that they are what they say they are, regardless of what we see them as. Anyone can claim to be a transwoman. This whole thing has become so toxic that no one will dare question it. That's the threat. Not genuine transwomen.

@Quaagars

I don't think its a controversial one though, as no one on this thread has said all men are out to rape

Though it is said that all men are a danger and a rape threat.
As I said, depends where you come on this view.
All people.

Really? Who said that?

Of course all men have the potential to be a danger to women and that's why they're lawfully excluded from women's single sex spaces, but that's very clearly not the same thing.

@crunchermuncher

Quagaars do you work in politics? I have to hand it to you, your ability to dodge direct questions and change the subject are truly first class. You would be a great speech writer.

Except for the sentence structure and coherence problems.

I'm not asserting that I'm right, I'm asking for explanations that you are either unable or unwilling to give. You just go back to saying each to their own and that you're free to disagree.

I don't know why you want to put so much energy into not having an opinion. I was interested in your views as you have previously expressed some views critical of the TRA ideology while seeming not particularly GC.

Now I can't be arsed trying to figure out what your pov actually is. I shall conclude that you aren't sure either.

Millenium well, yes, there is that....

I have to hand it to you, your ability to dodge direct questions and change the subject are truly first class. You would be a great speech writer

I thankz you, no I'm not a politician. Maybe I should consider it, has been mentioned before

It's been said plenty of times by different posters that no one here believes transwomen are automatically a threat. Some will be, some will not

Oh, as if

Nice try
The fact that it's always said on here that trans women are biologically male and means that they should automatically be not in "women's spaces" says it all.

I would really like to understand more about Segregating by gender yourhairiswinterfire because as we all know gender isn’t binary only sex is dimorphic, so which genders do we chose to segregate by, and why? And how many genders are included? I think the list is long, and growing and if inclusiveness is paramount, (how) can we achieve this?

Quaagars you seem more up on this side of the discussion, what do you think? Do you know the current number of genders? I know I could probably look it up, but you seem more clued in about this, so hoping you can save my fingers.

[quote Kit19]RT this pile of “if only GC people knew actual trans ppl they’d understand” piffle

twitter.com/nigella_lawson/status/1299832628003176448?s=21[/quote]
I know plenty. They hate being spoken for by TAs and their beliefs are widely in line with mine as a GC feminist. Because they understand the nuanced debate, respect that women's rights aren't trumped by trans people, know and love real women as friends family and colleagues, and think critically and independently. Hence why I know and love them. They suffer badly from the vitriol, wilful ignorance and blind wokeness of TAs too. I'm sure that's the case for many trans people. I have no issue with trans people, I have an issue with people who disregard, minimise and reject women's rights. The two are separate groups and I don't get how TAs don't see the damage they do to women and trans women.

Oh, as if

So did you ignore the the part where I said it's the 'anyone being allowed to claim trans status, no questions asked that's the issue' deliberately?