Mr Gay England: The trans man competing 'against an idea of male beauty'

[howard97A]

Another step in BBC’s retreat from reality:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-53936529

@Gncq

"I get a lot of judgment for being a trans man but a lot of the time people do not read me as a trans man," Chiyo says.

"I still experience a lot of misogyny from being read as a woman or trans misogyny and brutal violence because they think I'm a different type of 'transness'.

"Trans misogyny" is a meaningless term, it's just misogyny. If you have the "gyny" parts, you can experience misogyny, end of.

Also... brutal violence ?? Sorry but how can you just throw around the phrase "I experience brutal violence" like that with no context?
What, you were misgendered? Your idea about yourself hasn't been validated enough for your liking? Your mum still calls you her daughter sort of thing? Or are you actually frequently punched in the face?

I'd normally think "Oh no how awful" if someone said they'd been subject to "brutal violence". But trans ideologists throw turns of phrase like this and "literal violence" around so often when they actually mean something else entirely it just becomes antagonistic.

Anyway, all that aside, it really is gay men who need to sort out where transmen fit in with them, not feminists.

^This 100%

Totally agree about how brutal violence just seems to be a throwaway comment in that interview, very strange.

And that I do think that there are discussions to be had about what constitutes masculinity and breaking stereotypes about it, but that a female probably isn't the person to look for as an example for this!

The story's now highlighted in the Must See section of the bbc front page even though it's not in the Most Read top ten list at the moment. It's just bizarre how the trans narrative is pushed so hard on the bbc website.

So Chiyo is a biological female ie a woman who identifies as a trans man and who works as a drag king. According to Chiyo's Facebook profile, Chiyo is interested in men and women so is bisexual. How does any of this qualify Chiyo to compete in a gay men's competition? The BBC article is infuriating. So pleased I've cancelled my tv licence.

I have to admit I thought I'd accidentally clicked on a Babylon Bee article when I saw this. It reads like satire and yet it's real.
I am curious how the gay community take this. Possibly making good use of the W, T and F keys.

Regardless of gender at birth, beauty contests belong in the last century.

@nosswith

Regardless of gender at birth, beauty contests belong in the last century.

You'd think. All part of the Brave New World of progressive thought. Rigorously enforce those gender stereotypes!

It's all madness, and I don't imagine men will take too well to it - especially ones who don't even have to be nice to women because they want sex from them.

That would be an adventurous pitch.

I adding that to my lexicon of phrases to use with clients - the current favourite being - "that would be a brave choice"

brutal violence

What is it that us raised any time women discuss abuse? Weaponising violence. They really do reflect what the do in their accusations don’t they?

Isn't Newsbeat a childrens news programme?

I think he won't win but they will use it to say how progressive they are compared to those awful TERFS.

cultural appropriation, innit

I read this and my reaction was WTF.

Homosexuality is same sex attraction.

Why are some trans people so hell bent on getting into things which are so totally related to sex?

The message goes that trans people want to get on with life quietly. But at the same time. This constant push into things which are at the extreme.

This is a competition for gay men. Homosexual men. This person's sex is female. Its homophobic and insulting.

I wonder how the gay men who follow this competition will react.

I don't see what this has to do with feminism.

It falls into the category sex and gender, which is central to femimism.

I don't see what this has to do with feminism.

Open to correction, but wouldn’t feminists be interested in anything to do with transgenderism (because it affects the definition of women) and especially interested in how transgenderism is sold by the BBC (because the BBC is generally regarded as a trustworthy source of news and opinion)?

I don't see what this has to do with feminism.

This quote is very relevant.

"I still experience a lot of misogyny from being read as a woman or trans misogyny and brutal violence because they think I'm a different type of 'transness'.

People experience misogyny because they are perceived to be female. Their own concept of their gender identity is irrelevant.

LOOOOOOK at MEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Wow, it really doesn’t make sense! Either they are a man, and therefore straight, or they are gay and therefore a woman. It is really is not possible to make sense of this person as a gay man.

because the BBC is generally regarded as a trustworthy source of news and opinion
Not as much as it was. Most of the coverage of rural issues that I have seen in the past few years makes me Can't tell a mule from a horse, talks about 'the horsing world' not the equine world.

It's a shame, because it used to be great, but a lot of the news and programming is starting to feel agenda driven.

In order to do drag you must appear as (a perverted version) of the opposite sex. So a male becomes a drag queen and a female a drag king.

This individual claims to be male. So if they want to do drag it would be as a drag queen. By being a drag king surely they are accepting that they are in fact female?!

Trying really hard to have this make sense and it can't. Which to me sums the whole thing up.

I've seen Karen Jones/Lawson (trans woman with a horrendous record) doing a performance of 'Sweaty Sketty Girls' as a 'drag king' in one of Leeds scene bars. I felt absolutely sick.

It's a shame, because [the BBC] used to be great, but a lot of the news and programming is starting to feel agenda driven.

Yes, especially in the case of the trans agenda.

I may be way off the mark here, but could there be a teeny tiny possibility that this is partly a publicity stunt, and partly a p1ss take to see just how far this nonsense can go before the men (this time) call a halt to it? A challenge, if you will, to see how woke is too woke for the gay community and the BBC? The BBC have fallen for it hook, line and sinker but I hope the gay community will differ.