Stonewall Lobby World Rugby

[SunsetBeetch]

Ffs I am so sick of this agenda-heavy lobby group and their war against women's rights!

(Note that they are controlling who can reply to them too.)

“We are asking rugby clubs at all levels of the game to stand with us against a ruling that is exclusionary and that will impact some of the most vulnerable people in the community”.

Join us and
@LgbtiqS
in calling
@WorldRugby
to #TackleTransphobia lgbtiqsportalliance.org.uk/uk-lgbtiq-sport

twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1296801438211944455?s=20

[quote SunsetBeetch]Oh I found a tweet where they left the comments open - oops!

"We’re proud to work with
@IGRugby
to call on
@WorldRugby
to protect trans people’s #RightToPlay. Sport should start from a place of inclusion and governing bodies need to hear more from trans athletes about their experiences. #RugbyForAll "

twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1296407472022810624?s=20

"We at IGR Rugby reject this proposal, and stand with our Trans & Non-Binary players in solidarity to protect their #RightToPlay and call on
@WorldRugby
to do the same! #TackleTransphobia #RugbyForAll #IGRugby #WorldRugby"

twitter.com/IGRugby/status/1296111294962184192?s=20[/quote]
Well, I find the IGR Rugby tweet a little hypocritical if they are against exclusion in sport I can only assume they allow straight people in their teams too.

Exclusion isn't always a bad thing - it just means a group of like minded people / people sharing certain hobbies, illnesses, problems/ people with similar physicality can be /play/ talk together. Where on earth did this silly idea that EVERYTHING must be INCLUSIVE come from. It is a nonsense.

The word inclusive has slightly sinister undertones to me now and it shouldn't be like that. Let's face it if you say the wrong thing (or even think it) you are EXCLUDED pretty damn quick.

I do hope Rugby stand firm on this, or get ready to face the inevitable law suits.

Welsh hockey seems to be awash with Stonewall champions. Beth happily throwng women under the bus especially now she no longer plays and the man responsible for the Sport England Trans review Jamie Hooper is also linked to welsh hockey and a Stonewall Champion too www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8086977/Men-transition-women-allowed-compete-female-sporting-events.html

I do hope Rugby stand firm on this, or get ready to face the inevitable law suits

Interestingly we don't appear to have ( if we did ive missed it and please point me in the right direction) heard from insurers at all about any of this. Gg ignored the question. The articles about the transwomen player joking about opponents folding like deck chairs didn't say anything either. 14 counties pulled out of the inclusion policies before it got to court.

Insurers who no doubt look for any reason not to pay, it would be interesting to see what would actually happen.

@Winesalot

They always conveniently 'forget' to add 'from competing with women' at the end of 'trans women face being banned', don't they?

Yes. I noticed that. They are NOT banned from playing. They would be banned from playing in women’s division. They can play in the men’s, no problem.

They could set up their own, inclusive teams. Just like women did across the board when they were excluded from activities and events.

But the problem remains. Even if a new league was set up with inclusive mixed sex teams, the players with vaginas are more likely to be crippled by the players with testicles no matter which of them attend training sporting pink trainers.

No child who has been on puberty blockers and then cross sex hormones, with or without surgery is going to play rugby, or any competitive sport for that matter. Their bodies will be medicalised with all sorts of problems, and staying healthy and fit and out of hospitals will take a lot of work, let alone playing a sport as demanding as rugby.

The argument “if you just let us medicalise all the kids’ bodies from now on to avoid male puberty, then women and girls won’t have to worry in the future” makes me rage so much 😡.

2 of those were "inclusive" gay men's rugby clubs

Meh, if they were inclusive they would welcome gender non conforming males onto their team. Hypocrisy.

Sorry not sure if I'm explaining that well. Obviously there will be whats considered a "normal range" if that range starts to include these low readings from medicated children then when they perform the bone scans required when a child is put on this path, their ranges are included im normal as opoosed to showing on the low side.

That’s fucking outrageous, scandalous 😱

@Kantastic

The map shows that there are actually UK clubs signing up in support of the pledge to allow TW in women’s rugby. Only 6 so far, but still - I can only hope they don’t really understand what they’ve signed up in support of.

Randomly clicked on 3 of them - 2 of those were "inclusive" gay men's rugby clubs.

I suppose the most charitable explanation for this is that gay men are more likely than heterosexual men not to fully understand the strength differences between men and women - same applies to incels, come to think of it. I don't know if I believe the most charitable explanation.

A certain number of gay men seem to see any exclusion of transwomen as similar to ways they were excluded from certain things. Like guys not wanting them in the changing room for sports.

I'd be inclined to wonder whether any of them had actually watched a game of women's rugby that included TW. Some people need a visual to get that lightbulb moment.

No child who has been on puberty blockers and then cross sex hormones, with or without surgery is going to play rugby, or any competitive sport for that matter. Their bodies will be medicalised with all sorts of problems, and staying healthy and fit and out of hospitals will take a lot of work, let alone playing a sport as demanding as rugby.

Well yes, quite. It's not really the same as a top athlete having, say, managable Type 1 diabetes or something.

It does seem that, for a 'trans child' it is all encompassing both physically and emotionally. If you think about the amount of medicalisation it takes to stop a puberty from happening completely, the amount of medicalisation it takes to 'maintain' a biological male as a 'girl' and the effect that has on their body, the number of hospital appointments, the counselling, the emotional impact it all has on both the child themselves and their families (who normally in top level sport have played an enormous role in the athlete getting to that point) - it's highly unlikely that alongside all of this a child would develop a passion for and rise to the top of any sport really as well?

That's not to say that trans children or trans people aren't interested in sports or can't participate appropriately, but I'm just thinking the compatibility of top flight sport with a someone who didn't actually go through puberty, it's just not going to happen is it?

That's not to say that trans children or trans people aren't interested in sports or can't participate appropriately, but I'm just thinking the compatibility of top flight sport with a someone who didn't actually go through puberty, it's just not going to happen is it?

Binding is basically incompatible with sport anyway. They would pass out and protective equipment nay not fit properly over a deformed rib cage

Any women's clubs signed up?

Glinner hss a piece on this:

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/stonewall-now-actively-campaigning-b60

That is excellent by JL

There is one line in that article (well 4 words) that are perfection. I can't repost here cos our monitors like monitoring.

There is one line in that article (well 4 words) that are perfection. I can't repost here cos our monitors like monitoring.

I know the one you mean. Nailed it.

Ha, I think I know which line you mean. I will let Homer say it.

@yourhairiswinterfire

There is one line in that article (well 4 words) that are perfection. I can't repost here cos our monitors like monitoring.

I know the one you mean. Nailed it.

Indeed.

And in a separate paragraph, this describes what women are dealing with.

Stonewall have access to the same information that we have, yet they ignore it, tacitly admitting that their vision of ‘civil rights’ is impossible without the cost of dead or disabled women.

In a way, I'm quite thankful that I'm still able to be shocked by this kind of stuff. It shows that I haven't been rendered utterly cynical.

Because I am, completely shocked, that Stonewall, a mainstream charity and lobby group, are more than happy to accept that women will be killed or have life changing injuries, for the sake of the pride of a minute cohort.

It's been described as hovering near evil.

Mmmmmmm....

Cuculus canorus would be a good symbol for stonewall.

Would I be right in thinking a team of gay men wouldn’t be playing against women anyway, so it’s no skin of their noses who plays on a woman’s team?

The comments are good, especially the one about roller derby.

Are you trying to show that you can read? Please don't get this thread deleted. That would be really stupid

Sorry, I'll ask for a deletion