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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

New show on CBBC

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NeurotrashWarrior · 12/08/2020 16:50

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*Uploaded on 11 Aug 2020
First Day starts 19th August on CBBC and BBC iPlayer 👉 https://bbc.in/3aePdf7

First Day is a new CBBC drama about 12-year-old transgender girl Hannah Bradford adjusts to high school at the start of a new year.

Watch more of CBBC on BBC iPlayer 👉 https://www.bbc.co.uk/tv/cbbc

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Onestepup · 16/08/2020 11:13

Well said, ItalianHat.

Robin, the equivalent would not be "black girl joins new school", it would be "white girl who self-identifies as black joins new school".

scotsheather · 16/08/2020 11:42

I live in hope these programmes will help proper debate on eradicating gender stereotyping in children based tolerance of everyone - boys, girls, teachers, parents.

We appear to have a scenario here of a very feminine child who in reality is a boy, thats fine but the answer is making people "think" he is a girl and thats the problem. I know at least one real life example so it is happening, didn't ask them about sport or changing rooms so don't know what happened. Most boys who wear dresses, maybe get mistaken for girls based on presentation, play with girls all the time or have "girl" interests (yes I know) get bullied or suppress their femininity. Becoming a trans girl somehow makes it fine and that needs to stop.

Most teachers if they are honest have different "rules" for boys and girls. Some are written like dress code, most are unconscious like blue/pink, active/kind and caring, assertive/do as you're told, career choices, who gets away with things others don't. It used to be much worse but by no means resolved. And of course some are justified like sports teams, changing, toilets.

These sort of programmes could open positive discussion on those issues.

JamieLeeCurtains · 16/08/2020 12:48

Talking of sports, the BBC has this article away where they do seem to know that female biology, fertility and maternity is of huge significance, and has a massive effect on female athletes' performance.

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/53628388

Yet another advantage that transgirls and transwomen have in women's sports going forward.

OldCrone · 16/08/2020 13:14

We appear to have a scenario here of a very feminine child who in reality is a boy, thats fine but the answer is making people "think" he is a girl and thats the problem.

And whenever you suggest to transactivists that the best way forward is to make society more accepting of diversity - feminine boys and men, masculine girls and women - they say that it's too difficult and that people are too entrenched in their views for that to be possible.

And at the same time they're trying to make the rest of the world believe that people can change sex and that a person's biological sex and the type of body they have doesn't matter and that the rest of the world should accept that a man is a woman if he says he is.

They think that it's 'too difficult' to make society tolerant and accepting, and it would be easier to make everyone believe the impossible instead.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 16/08/2020 17:20

In this world, the "Day of the Girl" is celebrated by the performance of a natal boy????

Yep. That's the brave new world of Woke, where female erasure starts young. No point letting a girl grow up thinking she counts for anything, eh?

PegLegAntoine · 16/08/2020 17:34

I’m going to watch as I’m intrigued to see how they handle the whole subject

howard97A · 17/08/2020 12:13

I’m going to watch as I’m intrigued to see how they handle the whole subject

Pegleg, It’s set out here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Day_(TV_series)

I expect no surprises

herecomesthsun · 22/08/2020 16:36

I watched the first episode. The viewer was definitely supposed to be rooting for Hannah to use those girls' loos. And the perspective is, brave Hannah confronts prejudice and bullying.

I wonder whether,in later episodes, there is a representation of the issue of young girls' right to a space without biological males?

It's quite a complex subject for primary school. My 8 year old says she liked it.But she doesn't really know whether Hannah should be in the girls' toilets.

ItalianHat · 22/08/2020 16:42

I wonder whether,in later episodes, there is a representation of the issue of young girls' right to a space without biological males?

oooo, I just looked out of my window and saw a pig flying by!

GaraMedouar · 22/08/2020 18:02

I watched with my DD9. And yes I’d agree it’s very much brave Hannah fighting bullies and getting sympathy. We did discuss it and my DD still feels it’s important for single sex toilets. I discussed puberty blockers with her (we’ve just done about puberty in homeschooling).
My DD naturally wants to be very kind though.

NeurotrashWarrior · 23/08/2020 15:54

Seems to be the children's and yp's section of the bbc that has this insistence that safeguarding boundaries between the sexes are to be crossed.

US trans rights: The teen who sued his school, and won, over bathroom use www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-53834065

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AvocadoBathroom · 24/08/2020 03:39

Propaganda to normalise the drugging of kids with irreversibly hormones and the amputation of children's body parts.

fascinated · 24/08/2020 08:30

The problem is that kids of that age don’t even know or understand yet why they are given single sex spaces....

Newuser123123 · 30/08/2020 19:05

Just bumping this as it's all over bbc iplayer/ bbc bitesize at the moment -lots of pop up adverts and trailers. My 6yo was playing on bitesize and it seemed to automatically queue it up, we had quite a frank discussion about it (and she was understandably horrified) .

Wondersense · 30/08/2020 19:38

Maybe there should be a drama about how a group of teenage girls feel when a boy in their year is allowed access to their changing room and toilets because all he has to say is 'I'm a girl'. About the level of shaming and ostracism they risk by attempting to assert their boundaries? How at the very age they should be learning to say the word 'no', they are guilt triped and forced to saying 'yes' to things that could have an impact on their safety. About the idiot adults around them who don't know the meaning of safeguarding because their ideological, religious stance on these matters has made them completely blind??

How about a drama about that? I can imagine the BBC would LOVE to commission it.

Wondersense · 30/08/2020 19:40

@fascinated

The problem is that kids of that age don’t even know or understand yet why they are given single sex spaces....
Exactly. The erosion of their boundaries by guilt triping is disgusting. Women are already molded by society to be kind, empathetic and understanding (lest we be called 'difficult'). They really don't need more of it when it comes to something that impacts their safety.
Wondersense · 30/08/2020 19:45

@herecomesthsun

I watched the first episode. The viewer was definitely supposed to be rooting for Hannah to use those girls' loos. And the perspective is, brave Hannah confronts prejudice and bullying.

Haven't watched but that makes me want to cry. It sounds like propaganda.

herecomesthsun · 30/08/2020 20:27

So why can't we be very kind, tolerant and accepting of transgender kids,while they continue to avoid using the loos of the sex into which they weren't born?

KIndness in this situation seems very reasonable. Taking away the little space there is that is reserved for women (the kind with wombs), seems unfair.

Women usually have fewer loos than men,and they have more reason to sue them, what with menstruation and pregnancy.

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Deliriumoftheendless · 30/08/2020 21:46

Can’t boys be kind? I’m sure there’s loads of lads who aren’t bullies.

greeboclovis · 31/08/2020 18:44

@Wondersense

Maybe there should be a drama about how a group of teenage girls feel when a boy in their year is allowed access to their changing room and toilets because all he has to say is 'I'm a girl'. About the level of shaming and ostracism they risk by attempting to assert their boundaries? How at the very age they should be learning to say the word 'no', they are guilt triped and forced to saying 'yes' to things that could have an impact on their safety. About the idiot adults around them who don't know the meaning of safeguarding because their ideological, religious stance on these matters has made them completely blind??

How about a drama about that? I can imagine the BBC would LOVE to commission it.

My DD has to change with teen male. School had made provision but kid decided that they felt excluded- one day kid joined the girls. DD & friend complained & school initially reminded kid to use own facilities. Few months later, kid demanded access as legal right- reluctantly school agreed as council was too spineless to support them. DD upset but doesn't want to draw attention to herself. I'm devastated as school know that kid's presence makes some girls uncomfortable as it tells girls that their feelings are less important than those of a single male. This program is just propaganda- look at poor kid, forced to change on their own etc & it's only the mean girls who don't want them in their changing room
scotsheather · 31/08/2020 22:37

And then Hannah dodges school after being "outed" and only comes back when Hannah hears Hannah can use the girls toilets.

It would be more tolerable if there was a hint of balance or challenging the trans narrative though it is a kids show. Anything on CBBC will be assumed child friendly and can watch unaccompanied.

OldCrone · 24/09/2020 09:19

Near the end of the Guardian review of the French film:

Are the parents and professionals pushing Sasha a little too hard to settle on a gender identity? Does it have to be such a binary choice? And the whole issue of puberty blockers, still very contentious, is only glancingly discussed.

Is the Guardian trying to move itself into a more neutral position?

PurpleHoodie · 24/09/2020 09:34

AvocadoBathroom

Propaganda to normalise the drugging of kids with irreversibly hormones and the amputation of children's body parts.

Totally agree.

A programme that normalised gender non-comforming play/hobbies amongst children: I'd be on board with. Totally.

But not this propaganda.

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