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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

New show on CBBC

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NeurotrashWarrior · 12/08/2020 16:50

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*Uploaded on 11 Aug 2020
First Day starts 19th August on CBBC and BBC iPlayer 👉 https://bbc.in/3aePdf7

First Day is a new CBBC drama about 12-year-old transgender girl Hannah Bradford adjusts to high school at the start of a new year.

Watch more of CBBC on BBC iPlayer 👉 https://www.bbc.co.uk/tv/cbbc

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Dreeple · 12/08/2020 21:05

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DianasLasso · 12/08/2020 22:19

@OneEpisode

The lead is a 12 year old character played by a trans actor. Hannah’s main interest is taekwondo. Any parents watching might wonder at that. I don’t follow taekwondo, but that’s a contact sport?
They could do a kind of junior high version of Fallon Fox breaks Tamika Brent's orbital socket. What a joyfully inclusive, uplifting prospect that would be.

Seriously. Anyone who thinks that male bodied individuals going through puberty should be competing in full-contact martial arts against female opponents needs their head examined.

Allowing transwomen into women's sports annoys me across the board on the grounds of the inherent unfairness of it, but contact sports like martial arts and rugby leave me absolutely raging because of the outright danger posed to women.

And here we have the BBC doing a propaganda job that this is all okay, nothing to see here, move along.

Miriel · 12/08/2020 22:56

If this child does a contact sport, will it show them kicking the shit out of girls as they go through puberty? Or sharing a changing room with girls who are made to feel guilty about being self conscious when taking their clothes off in front of a male bodied person?

If it's anything like the Netflix shows for young people I've seen, then either the girl characters won't notice that the transgirl is trans at all, despite it being obvious to the viewer, or they will know, but will be delighted to have this stunning and brave person on their team and in their changing room. If there are characters who are uncomfortable, they'll be portrayed as bigots and as nasty bullies in general, so we know that their opinion is supposed to be the wrong one.

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LillianBland · 12/08/2020 23:03

Just like gay people, surely it's a good thing if people see there are other people the same?
Some of these comments reminds me of section 28 in a way, should we just hide trans people away, not raise awareness, not normalise (for want of a better word!) show they're just people too, like we are?

Please stop comparing trans to homosexuals and lesbians. They do not try to force people to accept them into their single sex spaces or to lie about their sex. It’s extremely homophobic of you to try to use them as a gotcha.

TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 13/08/2020 07:51

Some of these comments reminds me of section 28 in a way, should we just hide trans people away, not raise awareness, not normalise (for want of a better word!)

This is a child - we shouldn't be teaching children lies that you can change sex, or normalising the idea that there are some children who's bodies are so wrong for them that we should pretend they can.

We should be teaching children that toys and clothes are for everyone, that healthy bodies are just fine the way they are, and that they are allowed to set boundaries around who sees their own body.

Just like we do for every subject other than trans.

howard97A · 13/08/2020 12:56

I think there may be an upside, in that the inevitable public debate will take place in an atmosphere that is much more gender-critical, much less deferential to the trans lobby, than the reaction to ‘Butterflies’ in 2018.

More light = fewer lies?

bellinisurge · 13/08/2020 15:37

@Gottalife , I suppose they'll just keep that aspect hidden then. Because TRAs act like it would never happen.

Clymene · 13/08/2020 16:00

Comparisons to Section 28 are the new Godwin's Law aren't they?

There is no such thing as a trans child, there is only a child who does not conform to gender stereotypes.

Quaagars · 13/08/2020 16:05

Comparisons to Section 28 are the new Godwin's Law aren't they?

Hmm

LGBT
lesbian, gay, bi and trans

section 28 - don't go teaching/normalising gay behaviour
2020 version - don;t go teaching/normalising about trans

Pretty

Quaagars · 13/08/2020 16:06

Bah, pressed too soon - pretty comparable and not as radical a comparison some like to make out

Clymene · 13/08/2020 16:19

Have there been any homophobic comments @Quaagars? I don't think I've seen any.

LillianBland · 13/08/2020 16:23

section 28 - don't go teaching/normalising gay behaviour

2020 version - don;t go teaching/normalising about trans

Being gay affects no one’s rights by the person who is gay/lesbian/bi. Gay men don’t demand access to female spaces, simply because they’re attracted to other men. They are not demanding that young people are medicalised in order to conform to stereotypes. They do not demand that strait people sleep with them in order to prove that they’re not homophobic.

Those that support male bodied people who identify as trans, are demanding that women permit them entry to ALL female spaces, even if it’s at the cost of any woman’s mental or physical well-being. Many are advocating for the medicalisation of children and young people, who do not fit a sexist stereotype, even though it may cause long term physical health problems. All this while the vast vast majority of adult human male bodied people who identify as trans, remain completely intact. Young lesbians are being called bigots for not wanting to have sex with an intact male bodied person who identifies as trans, in or be classed as a vagina fetishisest and bigot.

Your homophobia is showing.

LillianBland · 13/08/2020 16:24

Excuse my SPAG. I’ve mislaid my glasses.

Quaagars · 13/08/2020 16:28

Your homophobia is showing

[hmm

Quaagars · 13/08/2020 16:28

Hmm even

RobinMoiraWhite · 13/08/2020 16:33

@Clymene

Comparisons to Section 28 are the new Godwin's Law aren't they?

There is no such thing as a trans child, there is only a child who does not conform to gender stereotypes.

How wonderful to know that there are so many experts here who are able to know trans people’s minds better than we know ourselves.

In those far-off days of the 1970’s without the internet or social media I had worked out that I was trans (not gay) long before aged 12. How great it would have been to have a media role model.

Try a little thought-experiment. Would the following be more acceptable:? And why?:

(1) First Day is a new CBBC drama about 12-year-old lesbian girl Hannah Bradford adjusts to high school at the start of a new year.

(2). First Day is a new CBBC drama about 12-year-old black girl Hannah Bradford adjusts to high school at the start of a new year.

(3) First Day is a new CBBC drama about 12-year-old Zoroastrian girl Hannah Bradford adjusts to high school at the start of a new year.

Quaagars · 13/08/2020 16:38

How wonderful to know that there are so many experts here who are able to know trans people’s minds better than we know ourselves

Exactly, I mean I'm not trans, but how fucking patronising and dismissive do you have to be to tell somebody "no, you're not 'cos I say you're not?"

Your thought experiments back in 1970 if they'd been on telly then would have probably been dismissed as "PC gawn mad"

Apollo440 · 13/08/2020 16:41

No on is born in the wrong body and it is a harmful lie to push such a line on vulnerable children.

BaronessWrongCrowd · 13/08/2020 16:49

How wonderful to know that there are so many experts here who are able to know trans people’s minds better than we know ourselves.

You could say the same for women.

DianasLasso · 13/08/2020 16:52

The crucial difference is that the affirmation only approach to children who express gender dysphoria puts them on a pathway to a lifetime of surgery and medication, when in fact there's a lot of evidence to suggest that while some may grow up into adults who continue to express gender dysphoria, and for whom transitioning medically may be appropriate, most in fact turn out tohave other issues going on. For instance, they may be autistic (which is going to make you struggle with social rules around gender expression, because social rules around gender expression are on the whole pretty arbitrary, opressive to women in particular, and make no bloody sense at all, which makes them pretty hard for someone with autism to understand). Some may turn out to be gay, and were in fact struggling with being same-sex attracted in a heteronormative world. Some (particularly girls) may simply be struggling with an increasingly pornified, sexually violent culture in which to be female is seen as being fair game for men to sexually objectify you.

With the rise of affirmation only therapy over the last decade, we're already beginning to see a wave of young women in their early twenties who are detransitioning, often having caused irreversible changes to their bodies (mastectomies, voice breaking, etc.).

It's also interesting that in the narratives of parents who are cheerleading their children's transitions the same tropes come up over and over again: "we knew something was wrong when he/she started playing with dolls/trucks." There is definitely an aspect, among some parents of children with gender dysphoria, of "transing away the gay." That's why I'm far from sure it's the wonderfully forward-thinking, progressive movement some on this thread seem so sure it is.

For this reason, unquestioning acceptance of a child transitioning is a totally different thing from unquestioning acceptance of their race or sexuality (and IMO it can in some instance be borderline racist and homophobic to draw this false parallel).

Smurftastic · 13/08/2020 16:58

@Robin I think you're missing a point that the show is about a male bodied child, and in the show as somewhere previously mentioned, this child starts off as using disabled toilets to then move onto using girls' facilities- despite not being a girl. I imagine the sports team is also girl's one.
So comparisons to religious beliefs here are misguided. What's next, are we all racists because we don't want any boys in our daughters single sex spaces? It's the same, right?

Quaagars · 13/08/2020 17:01

What's next, are we all racists because we don't want any boys in our daughters single sex spaces? It's the same, right?

Um... right, okay.
Not much you can really say to that lol, I mean WTF

Smurftastic · 13/08/2020 17:05

@Quaagars 'Wtf indeed, I missed the comparison Robin made already
(2). First Day is a new CBBC drama about 12-year-old black girl Hannah Bradford adjusts to high school at the start of a new year.
It's very racist comparison. But it is always grasping at straws when you're trying to show evil women how misguided they are in protecting their daughters safety and dignity.'

DianasLasso · 13/08/2020 17:07

Put it this way. You've got a school or scout or guide camping trip. Are you going to put adolescents with penises in the same tent/dorm as adolescents with vaginas? I mean, what could possibly go wrong, huh? (And no, I'm not thinking of sexual assault necessarily - normal rampant teen hormones, consensual exploration and resulting teen pregnancies are my biggest worry here).

Then there's the question of what you do when the adolescent with a penis wants to enter the girls' hundred metres at sports day.
boysvswomen.com/#/
That's not going to end well for the aspiring female athletes in the school.

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