New show on CBBC

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*Uploaded on 11 Aug 2020
First Day starts 19th August on CBBC and BBC iPlayer 👉 https://bbc.in/3aePdf7

First Day is a new CBBC drama about 12-year-old transgender girl Hannah Bradford adjusts to high school at the start of a new year.

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Robin:Try a little thought-experiment. Would the following be more acceptable?

Obviously, I think it would be perfectly acceptable to have a programme about Hannah as a lesbian, or a black girl, or a Zoroastrian. We might expect to derive some insight into their lives and the problems they face, and how we might support them.

And it would be perfectly acceptable to have a programme about a boy who arrives at high school believing himself to be a girl and presenting as a girl. We might get some discussion about his decision to identify as a girl. And we might get some insight into his life-history and how we might help him to deal with the problems he faces as he tries to come to terms with his changing body and changing relationships. But I suspect we are not going to get that.

I suspect that Hannah’s problems are going to be represented as the result of the ignorance and bigotry of those around them, and those problems will fade away when everyone sees the light and affirms Hannah’s trans identity.

I fear this programme will be a propaganda exercise that will result in more children seeing themselves as ‘trans’ and suffering permanent damage as a result. In my view, “not acceptable”

Why was my post deleted?

SirVixofVixHall because you posted on feminist chat? Threads here are often full of holes.
If you had an email to your registered email there may be a clue, and you could try and reply to that email. If you don’t, you can report your own deleted post and ask politely.

I’ve asked before and they’ve replied which has been helpful, although others have since said challenging a deletion can count towards a banhammering...

I am trying to remember what I said, it was v similar to another post that is still standing.

Sorry I can’t remember either.
There are trigger words and phrases that lead to a deletion and then ban, so for instance saying someone was courageous and astonishing is probably fine, but the better known synonym phrase “s & b” has been deleted recently..,

Or would you rather have a depressed/ suicidal child who is living a lie?

Surely by colluding and saying that a trans girl actually is a girl is making them live a lie.

Certainly not anything I haven’t said before, and it is a while since I’ve had a deletion.

the pilot was financed by a program to support women, the “Girls Initiative”. And launched for the “Day of the Girl”

So, in a world where actual girls often don't survive (aborted on the grounds of sex), or are fed less than their brothers, or are raped wholesale, or are sexually harassed at school (which should be safe), or are groomed for prostitution, or are sold or forcibly married to men old enough to be their grandfathers, or are denied education, or are unable to attend school because of period poverty, or ... [the list goes on]

In this world, the "Day of the Girl" is celebrated by the performance of a natal boy????

Being gay affects no one’s rights by the person who is gay/lesbian/bi

And gay men/lesbians don't tell straight men/women that their "genital preferences" are homophobic.

And gay men/lesbians don't require that all straight people call themselves "not-gay."

And gay men/lesbians don't tell straight people that the language that describes their sexuality (ie heterosexual) is homophobic.

Many trans people know that they are trans from the moment they are conscious of self

Like OldCrone I wonder about how someone knows they should be the other sex.

I mean, I can understand body dysmorphia or dysphoria. It's a pretty familiar feeling for many [most?] girls & women.

But what I don't understand, and what I would also argue is illogical, is that, feeling that your sex is wrong, that you automatically assume you must be the other sex. How would you know?

How can you be sure that the assumption that, if you feel dissociated from your male body, you must be a woman?

And, I mean, how binary is that?

ItalianHat
Agree.

With all three posts.

Yes. Very good posts from Italian hat.

"And, I mean, how binary is that?"

@ItalianHat

Many trans people know that they are trans from the moment they are conscious of self

Like OldCrone I wonder about how someone knows they should be the other sex.

I mean, I can understand body dysmorphia or dysphoria. It's a pretty familiar feeling for many [most?] girls & women.

But what I don't understand, and what I would also argue is illogical, is that, feeling that your sex is wrong, that you automatically assume you must be the other sex. How would you know?

How can you be sure that the assumption that, if you feel dissociated from your male body, you must be a woman?

And, I mean, how binary is that?

What?! We do have a word for non-gay. It's 'straight' or 'heterosexual' and it's in common usage.

Comparisons to Section 28 are the new Godwin's Law aren't they?

I think there are some very valid comparisons to Section 28.

In those days we were fighting a homophobic government for same-sex relationships to be recognised as valid. We wanted acknowledgment from them that lesbians & gay men were exclusively physically attracted to their own sex & that this was absolutely fine.

Now we’re fighting a homophobic transactivist movement, led by Stonewall, for
same-sex relationships to be recognised as valid. We want acknowledgment from them that lesbians & gay men are exclusively physically attracted to their own sex & that this is absolutely fine.

And I’m speaking as someone Stonewall called the police on for protesting in favour of lesbian visibility outside one of their conferences.

That is an excellent comparison empressJKR.

I think I will mention it every time one of the idiots brings it up. Thank you.

Thank you, SocialMedea!

We’ve just seen the trailer, my dd was very confused. Had a good chat about gender stereotypes, tolerance, accepting anyone can have any personality in the body they’re in etc and being kind to those who feel confused about their gender. But if kids don’t watch these things with a adult standing by to explain it all... it could end up very confusing. (Bearing in mind cbbc is 7yo upwards).

Also I feel there’s a strong signal there for girls to “be kind, ignore your own boundaries/discomfort” that might be fine with a pretty pre-pubescent 12 year old who they have known only as the new ‘girl’... A bit different if a 15 year old boy they’ve always know as a boy suddenly declares themselves a girl. I think these things would be better handled if tolerance and kindness are taught, but not on the proviso that girls boundaries are bigotry or based on the lie that people can change sex.

That's an excellent point @EmpressJKRowlingSpartacus - thank you

My DD had stopped watching CBBC by the time she had gone to secondary school so I'm thinking the main audience for this programme will be primary school. And like Pumbaas said, from age 7 upwards. I also wonder if most of the children watching will be girls. Showing them how they would be wrong to have any feelings of discomfort about having their boundaries challenged. I wonder if the reason it's a trans girl and not a trans boy is down to target audience.

Or would you rather have a depressed/ suicidal child who is living a lie?
Can’t believe this old, false story about high suicide rates is still being repeated. Not a shred of evidence, from years of research now.

I saw this advert for the program while watching TV with my DD age 9. I was gobsmacked to be honest that this is going to be on CBeebies. Currently my DD has very strong fixed views on scientific fact. She watches Operation Ouch with Dr Xand and Dr Chris and knows all about XX and XY chromosomes from their shows.

I’ve already discussed trans with her, and this preview led to another discussion , with me trying not to turn into Catherine Tate’s nan. I showed her pics of sport transwomen eg cyclist, weightlifter , rugby player - and she could guess which ones were a natal man !

She will say -‘girls can cut their hair short, wear trousers - it doesn’t make them boys’ and similarly the other way round.

I will keep pushing, making sure she keeps her eyes open. We talk about toilets , and she knows I’ll come up the school to discuss toilets and changing if I have to. In her primary school in KS2 the toilets are split by sex. And I don’t want her to ‘must be kind’ as a female.

What?! We do have a word for non-gay. It's 'straight' or 'heterosexual' and it's in common usage

Indeed. But homosexual people rarely require heterosexual people to decsribe themselves every time as heterosexual, and abuse them if they don't. Try saying to TRAs that 'cis' is degrading to women - say to them (as I have done) "Please don't call me cis" and see the abuse you'll get.

A bit different if a 15 year old boy they’ve always know as a boy suddenly declares themselves a girl. I think these things would be better handled if tolerance and kindness are taught

Then the boys need to be taught about tolerance and kindness, and that they need to accept 'feminine' boys. That this is a valid way of being a man.