Stonewall drop Mermaids?

[ScrimpshawTheSecond]

Seems Stonewall used to direct young people to Mermaids. But the link has been removed from the page?:

www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/coming-out/coming-out-young-person

And the page that used to be on there appears to be blank:

www.stonewall.org.uk/organisations/mermaids

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark, y'all.

Anyone know of any actual concerns raised with Charity Commission, does the buck stop with them or really it's with the Trustees?

Anyone know of any actual concerns raised with Charity Commission, does the buck stop with them or really it's with the Trustees?
Charity Commission are UTTERLY toothless
and rather a chocolate teapot.
THey only take enforcement action AFTER the event

I am so confused. Given everything we know about Mermaids already I genuinely can't imagine what would cause their supporters to disown them.

Regarding their staff, we already know about

• Sixteenth birthday penis operation
• Susie Green laughing about how puberty blockers caused complications in that operation.
• Thailand changing its laws apparently because of what Susie Green did
• Susie Green claiming that there should be no psychological assessments in place for kids to transition.
• A "cis woman" who works for Mermaids taking a transwoman to court for transphobia.

On an operational level we know that:

• Kids who get involved with Mermaids are more likely to receive trans treatments
• Tavistock staff have complained about Mermaids influencing children's decisions
• the number of kids being treated in trans clinics has increased 5000% over the last few years, there are suddenly far more than girls seeking trans treatments and no one has any explanation for this increase and the altered sex ratio, other than social contagion. Mermaids try to silence everyone who wants to discuss this and influences these children to get dangerous untested medical treatments.
• many of the children Mermaids influences are same-sex attracted or on the autistic spectrum.
• thirty staff have resigned from the Tavistock over the past few years and many of them have spoken up to raise concerns about how it is operating, some naming Mermaids as part of the problem.
• there was a massive data breach last year exposing private and personal information about the children Mermaids are working with.

On the medical level we know that:

• the protocol of blockers + x-sex hormones is a massive untested medical experiment on children and Mermaids advocates for this relentlessly
• there is considerable evidence that puberty blockers damage bones and causes osteoporosis
• there is considerable evidence that puberty blockers damages IQ
• the puberty blockers + x-sex hormone treatment causes infertility
• some evidence suggests the protocol causes considerable impairment in sexual functioning
• all the best evidence suggests that without this protocol most of the children being "treated" would desist and therefore not have to deal with iatrogenic bone damage, IQ damage, or infertility, or the additional risks associated with x-sex hormones
• many of the girls who were early adopters of this fad are already desisting, after considerable damage to their health and wellbeing.
• Bottom line: sure seems like thousands of gay and autistic children are being needlessly sterilised thanks to Mermaids.

Okay so now I've listed all this out, what on earth could make their supporters decide they've gone too far?

I don't think this has much to do with supporters, tbh. That's why I think it's legal. Supporters are immaterial if a charity is forced to dissolve.

Was there ever an outcome on the data breaches? I cant find anything online past the initial investigation and I don't know enough about ico to gauge if this is irregular?

Kantastic Chef's kiss - fantastic summary.

Kantastic, also the story (later contested) that a judge ordered Mermaids to stop contacting a child/family.

metro.co.uk/2017/10/08/charity-advised-mum-to-force-her-son-7-to-live-as-a-girl-6984649/

Brilliant post Kantastic, thank you!

The farmers hypothesis to is that it's a sex abuse scandal of some sort but I can't see Jameela/Josie being privy to that kind of information so far ahead of the general public and media.

My money is still on orgs and prominent people being approached directly or indirectly through their reps and given a heads up that they are going to be listed as promotors of a dangerous ideology very publicly and allow them to prepare their response/defense to be included as part of whatever is being but together.

Although it’s scary seeing it all laid out like that.

Oh, and also Mermaids criticsed for advertising 'same day' cross sex hormones.

'Mermaids UK has also been criticised for advertising ‘same day’ cross-sex hormone treatments for children – a treatment banned by the NHS, because it causes irreversible changes and can compromise fertility later in life for anyone under 16.'

Read more: metro.co.uk/2017/10/08/charity-advised-mum-to-force-her-son-7-to-live-as-a-girl-6984649/?ito=cbshare

Twitter thread here suggesting it's a Stonewall website reorganisation. Which does seem possible:

mobile.twitter.com/GrRoary/status/1293639764927799296

I still think it's bit of an odd coincidence that so many usually supportive organisations seem to be missing Mermaids links.

If nothing else, there's a lot of stuff archived now!

@exwhyzed

The farmers hypothesis to is that it's a sex abuse scandal of some sort but I can't see Jameela/Josie being privy to that kind of information so far ahead of the general public and media.

My money is still on orgs and prominent people being approached directly or indirectly through their reps and given a heads up that they are going to be listed as promotors of a dangerous ideology very publicly and allow them to prepare their response/defense to be included as part of whatever is being but together.

Who would be doing that, though?

I'd love to be wrong, but I think we may be reading too much into all this. Vocal support by celebs for trans issues has been gradually tailing off for 2-3 years now. I don't think it's because the celebs have seen the light (with a few exceptions) - more that their PR teams are becoming aware of looming controversies, and advising them to stay clear. A few years ago, supporting a charity for trans kids seemed liked a risk-free no-brainer for celebs. That is no longer the case, but I'm not sure we're on the cusp of some mighty revolution that will sweep Mermaids away. Unfortunately.

It might just be the length of time it takes to remove support. JKR really brought the issue front and centre and it might just be this that has caused a re-think.

I still like the theory posited by @exwhyzed

Fair Cop are still peaking my interest. I think the Mermaids influencing the A level mag was just a stop gap

1. Susie Green's cult-like devotion to removing any accusations of her and her husband's kneejerk homophobia ... which led to her imposing transition on her own child.

1. She does this by encouraging poor science and even worse clinicians (the Webberleys) and through this pseudo justification recruits other struggling parents to her religion.

1. At the same time, the Gamers, Furries and MRAs are busy redefining 'trans' to further their own porn-addled ends. SG doesn't spot the danger.

1. The big one - Ruth Hunt, faced with Stonewall losing power and influence - and funding - latches onto the T as the next battlefront of human rights, despite the fact that T attached to LGB doesn't actually make sense. L and G people can also be T, or not. Alphabet soup all over. But her naivety, unchecked by trustees and buoyed by young social justice acolytes kicks in with turbo-like force, capturing the civil service, some local authorities, political parties, the police, the Judiciary etc etc. To speak out is a crime.

1. Some brave women 👏 took a mighty stand. Shouldn't have had to be so mighty, as they were basically just pointing out reality and biological fact. Such are the times we live in.

1. The tide began to turn - thanks to the next wave of realists, led by JKR. CPS, councils schools guidance, BBC and crucially the NHS all start to question whether any of this is right. Journalists do a fab job of pointing out the shifting sands this tower of idiocy is built on.

1. Stonewall now find themselves holding the ticking bomb.... and have chucked it back to Susie. They are setting Mermaids up as the cause of all the trouble, and hoping that not too much mud sticks when they (Mermaids) fall.

The bit I have failed to work out is what is in it for Pink News. Why did they have so much influence over Stonewall - calling them out over an awards ceremony ten years ago if I remember correctly,?

That is no longer the case, but I'm not sure we're on the cusp of some mighty revolution that will sweep Mermaids away. Unfortunately

Yes, revolutionary change or sudden collapse is not going to happen. This is going to take many years, even a couple of decades of step by step, bit by bit, for there to be a sea change. Detransitioners; court cases; and growing awareness of the many, and profound, implications of gender ideology.

Sorry haven’t read all the thread (and can’t remember the acronym)
But still lots of pages returned if you search stonewall site for “mermaids”, inc this endorsement: www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/media-statements/transphobic-rhetoric-concerning-young-people-toxic-and-damaging

“ Mermaids is a vital organisation that stands by the side of vulnerable young people and their parents, who are often unsure and uncertain of how to support their children”

Is there actually anything going on or is this like all the times the Queen has died on Twitter. It could be something big or it could

.. be nothing at all.

Sorry I pressed post before I had finished typing.

Stonewall have strongly reaffirmed their support of Mermaids:

twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1293834612536496129

twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1293834613819879425

It didn't make sense for Stonewall to withdraw support, however, the others are a different kettle of fish, unless they're all updated their websites at the same time

I’ve had a lot at the stonewall tweet - the people supporting it definitely seem a bit lacklustre and their arguments are so 2019 (so you want dead kids???). Almost as if some wind had gone out of their sails...

jolyon is there affirming his support for mermaids over many years.

But he is a bit... well.