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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NHS Lanarkshire new policy on Transgender Employees ignores female staff's rights

91 replies

334bu · 10/08/2020 22:25

t.co/mQxXUG41xZ?amp=1
The above link should download a copy of the Lanarkshire policy on treatment of Transgender staff. No consideration of the needs of female staff or patients is mentioned. Totally ignores single sex exemptions.

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PearPickingPorky · 10/08/2020 22:27

Can you post a screenshot? I'm not clicking on links when I can't see where they're coming from or what might download.

rogdmum · 10/08/2020 22:32

It’s a legit link from the NHS Lanarkshire website.

334bu · 10/08/2020 22:43

Apologies for unclear link but my copied NHS link didn't work. Document is about 28 pages long so screenshots not possible.

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334bu · 10/08/2020 22:57

pbs.twimg.com/media/EfEWKjeWkAASjQ9?format=jpg&name=900x900

The above is a link to a screenshot of a part of page 11. This was copied from the twitter account of @SVPhillimore

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SerenityNowwwww · 10/08/2020 23:21

Against the law surely?

Pacif1cDogwood · 10/08/2020 23:24

What consultation was there prior to this publication?

It's the first I hear about it - is it new?
Hmm

334bu · 10/08/2020 23:29

July 2020

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Pacif1cDogwood · 10/08/2020 23:37

I go on holiday and look what happens! HmmGrin

Cabinfever10 · 10/08/2020 23:39

I wonder how much help they had from Stonewall to write that 🤔

BetsyM00 · 11/08/2020 02:02

You'll not be surprised that significant input was received from Stonewall Scotland.
See section 7.5 of the Equality & Diversity Annual Report of NHS Forth Valley, who first developed the guidance.

It's equally not-surprising that Stonewall then declared it to be an example of best practice.
www.pressreader.com/uk/stirling-observer/20180207/281638190656360

PumbaasCucumbas · 11/08/2020 06:51

All the midwife genital sorting hat nonsense at the beginning... this is the nhs for goodness sake.

Bella2020 · 11/08/2020 10:02

I wonder what stance NHS Lanarkshire (I live in Lanarkshire) would take on female patients having objections to be being treated or cared for by trans staff in certain situations.

Cailleach1 · 11/08/2020 10:28

Interesting. Lanarkshire NHS document says they assign a sex at birth. I imagine if you can say 'No, you're wrong. It is a boy and not a girl' and get a birth certificate in the chosen sex. If it is not real biological sex any more.

Cailleach1 · 11/08/2020 10:29

They state it on page 7, paragraph 4.1.

Cailleach1 · 11/08/2020 10:31

Oh my. I have just read on. Can NHS really say 'it's a girl/boy' anymore after this document.

Choochoose · 11/08/2020 10:34

Rediculous, they don't assign a gender at birth, but observe the biological sex. If it's saying they assign a sex that's worrying for an NHS document, you would hope they understood biological reality and their processes.

PenguindreamsofDraco · 11/08/2020 10:37

Examples of discrimination: Not being addressed, or thought of, as belonging to their gender or not having their new name used.

thought of Angry

FUCK RIGHT OFF.

Pacif1cDogwood · 11/08/2020 11:46

I am refusing to tick any kind of box on forms asking for my sex is the question is 'What sex were you assigned at birth?' - I was not assigned anything, I was a human female infant aka a girl. I am now an adult human female aka a woman.

Snort at Sorting Hat though Grin

I reserve the right to think all sorts of thoughts about all sorts of people, including those who came up with this document. And those who signed off on it. Fecking woke culture.

SerenityNowwwww · 11/08/2020 11:57

Just don’t tick box.

I am not a tick. I am a free woman.

CharlieParley · 11/08/2020 12:20

@Bella2020

I wonder what stance NHS Lanarkshire (I live in Lanarkshire) would take on female patients having objections to be being treated or cared for by trans staff in certain situations.
They are not to be informed. Trans status is not to be acknowledged to "service users" at any stage of transition. Expect to either be lied to, gaslit or ignored.
BowlerHatPowerHat · 11/08/2020 12:29

Interesting. Lanarkshire NHS document says they assign a sex at birth. I imagine if you can say 'No, you're wrong. It is a boy and not a girl' and get a birth certificate in the chosen sex. If it is not real biological sex any more.
I wonder if you could sue them if they get it wrong. You spend years bring your child up as a girl as that was what they were assigned at the hospital. Then your daughter suddenly announces she's a boy. The bloody doctors/midwifes got it wrong!

Gottalife · 11/08/2020 12:36

@334bu

t.co/mQxXUG41xZ?amp=1 The above link should download a copy of the Lanarkshire policy on treatment of Transgender staff. No consideration of the needs of female staff or patients is mentioned. Totally ignores single sex exemptions.
The single sex exemptions are not compulsory. Just an option to achieve a legitimate aim. And impossible to police.
OldCrone · 11/08/2020 12:44

The single sex exemptions are not compulsory. Just an option to achieve a legitimate aim. And impossible to police.

You're making a very good case for repeal of the GRA. If the GRA means that some men can legally be women, and therefore it is impossible to have a genuinely female-only space, then the GRA should go.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/08/2020 12:47

Lots of things are "impossible to police". It's impossible to stop all crime, for instance. But it doesn't mean that we shouldn't even try to stop crime. A hospital is one of the things which can fairly easily be dealt with on a sex basis.