Today’s witch burning - Rosie Duffield MP

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has had to lock down her Twitter account after being inundated with hate for saying women have cervix’s

The TRA are now spamming labour with complaints about her transphobia & demands she is sacked

I’m planning to email my support fir her copying in Keir Starmer

(And yes of course LOJ is involved!)

I've tried to read it in the best light, but I can't make it ok. By saying her language was wrong she is calling everyone who said "only women have a cervix" a transphobe.

I can only imagine that Starmer called her up and said "only transpeople matter" and she decided her career trumped reality and the rights of women.

Perhaps without the women's vote she'll be out next time and that will be that anyway.

I don't think she does say her language was wrong. She says language is important, she says she is learning all the time, and she apologises for any offence her language may have caused. She does not say her words were wrong or apologise for the language she chose, only the offence it may have caused.

She also refers to trans men rather than simply men... making a clear distinction between trans and not trans. In this case it is in relation to men but I think it's a clear enough indication of her views.

I think it was drafted with the help of Labour Party Head Office, with the sole aim of closing the controversy. Duffield has not given way on anything substantive. I would not be surprised if she and Starmer agreed that they need to focus on the long term project of ensuring the LP is electable, rather than spend time firefighting.

She comes out if it well. Reasonable and hasn't given ground on anything in particular.

I think it's a good statement.

The "different groups of women" could mean the women supporting her versus the little Wokettes calling for her head to appease men. Different groups of "feminists", if you will.

I think it's clever.

Here's a link to a very good Spectator article from Debbie Hayton

www.spectator.co.uk/article/labour-s-transgender-civil-war-has-hit-a-new-low

I can honestly say that I am staggered, some of the best articles I've read on the trans debate have been from the Spectator

Rosie Duffield has done the best she can for now imo. I say the one who deserves my anger is Starmer for not doing anything about the horrendous behaviour of numerous members of Young Labour and LGBTQ+ Labour, for not supporting RD, for putting her in a position where she had to apologise despite not doing anything wrong whatsoever and for not clarifying that of bloody course women have a cervix. That is not the behaviour of anyone who should be leading a political party. He has denied the reality of half the UK to pander to a nasty little mob who should have been expelled for life and told to wind their necks in. Nothing's changed from Corbyn.

medium.com/@MForstater/careless-words-3c018c06d0d9

Maya Forstater's piece on the DARVO bs

"Rosie Duffield liked a tweet by Piers Morgan…And then went on to tweet in her defence that female people have a name.

For this she was mass reported, and publicly condemned by the ‘bad cops’ of Labour Campaign for Trans Rights , while the ‘good cops’ of Labour LGBT+ worked privately to extract an apology. The bullying ended in Duffield taking a twitter break and issuing one of those awful hostage-note apologies.

Heather Peto of LGBT+ Labour claimed responsibility for negotiating Duffield’s statement and Labour MEP Seb Dance commiserated for the horribly distressing experience this must have been for Peto.

Dance got a lot of replies to this tweet. He called them a “diatribe of abuse and absurd claims”.
What does a diatribe of abuse look like?"

Worth a read. These people are ridiculous.

That medium article says it all, really.

The dehumanising language around women’s bodies was a topic addressed by Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying in one of their recent podcasts. Weinstein’s take - this language is manipulative gaslighting and it’s specifically designed to call you out - you can either submit or mark yourself as a transphobe.

Rosie Duffield liked a tweet that Peto didn’t like & they’ve reacted with their usual entitlement

It seems Rosie’s re reducation at the hands of Peto & their LGBT hasn’t completely eradicated her ability to have her own thoughts & Peto isn’t pleased she hasn’t learned....

Nothing sinister or controlling here at all

John McKee needs to get on the Stonewall website and be educated.

So Peto doesn't realise that cross-dressers are part of the trans umbrella? How transphobic!

Indeed - it seems peto is the one that needs educating 😆

Patriarchy at its finest again. Glad someone out there speaking out.

It's not only that cross dressers are in the stonewall definition if trans. It's that the tweet she liked wasn't calling trans people cross dressers. It was saying the law society tool kit (or whatever it's called) is about cross dressers rather than transexuals because its all about 'gender expression' (ie what you wear). I haven't read the law Society's document, only the report in rollonfriday, but that claim was what Duffield was agreeing with.

Do you know which tweet they were complaining about? I can't find it

Okay, I found it through that tweet that Peto quoted. So, Peto really is trying to stop female MPs from having feminist opinions.

What is Peto's role in the party again? Are they anything more than a party member? Why does Peto think they can monitor women?

I like the way John McKee feels entitled to say what a Labour party MP should or shouldn't like.

There was me thinking it was their constituents MP's were in Parliament to represent

Heather is the co chair of the Labour lgbt committee
www.lgbtlabour.org.uk/committee

After Rosie’s last wrong think Heather put themselves in charge of Rosie’s re education

Peto is getting their due desserts in this thread.

twitter.com/heatherisone/status/1312442607750930432

Women are backing Rosie again.

Hopefully more and more women are starting to realise that more and more women have their back.

Also, as Heather Heying said:

" Do not cede small points (to woke activists) in order to keep the peace. The peace will not be kept this way. Cede small points, & you will be expected to cede more. Apologize for things you did not do, & you will be held accountable for those things, & more."

Just stop pandering. Nothing you do will be enough. May as well be hung for a sheep than a lamb.

Peto is a creep and one of the prime witch hunters of the Labour Party.

I could say a lot more about Peto but I'm sure it would be deleted.

Fortunately Googling peto brings up many things of interest...

[quote lionheart]Labour LGBT statement:

labour-trans.org/news/lctr-statement-on-the-comments-of-rosie-duffield-mp/[/quote]
Just to correct something here: This is not a statement from the Labour party. It's a statement from the "Labour Campaign for Trans Rights", which is a lobby group set up by a group of members, with no particular formal standing within the party. There are loads of one-issue groups like this within Labour. It's all part of healthy debate within the party, but none of them speak for the party as a whole and their positions don't carry the weight of agreed policies via conference etc. Some of them may well be pursuing positions the majority of members disagree with.

I don't know how Keir Starmer will play this. Duffield, as a key conspirator against Corbyn and enemy of the largely Corbynite membership in her own CLP, is a natural ally to him in his attempts to remodel the party. And she's defending a small red majority within an ocean of blue in the south east. I'd be surprised if he doesn't support her.