Good Breitbart article on the tactics of the political left

[Zinco]

www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/23/nolte-mens-health-wants-joe-rogan-blacklisted-for-vile-transphobia/

"We all know how this bullshit of “safetyism” works on the fascist left. You fascists accuse someone you disagree with of making you or POC’s or whoever feel “unsafe,” and suddenly expression that speech become “violence” and that physical act of violent speech must be blacklisted and canceled.

Meanwhile, according to the left, the terrorists in Black Lives Matter and Antifa who are burning, looting marauding, and toppling are not committing violence. Their actual violence is speech."

"When you accuse someone of “putting lives in danger” over a perfectly reasonable and science-based discussion about transitioning, especially when just a few years ago these arguments were treated as mainstream; when you accuse someone of “fanning the flames of hate” and being “dangerous,” that is way beyond a debate.

That is about silencing someone, about accusing them of being responsible in some way for a suicide or hate crime they had nothing to do with."

Have a look at how that new story was reported elsewhere and I think you'll see what I mean.

In the interests of research, I've read the story in the Mirror, the Daily Mail, the Evening Standard and the Huffington Post (the first 4 hits on a search for this story). They are all nearly identical to the Breitbart article.

I can only see two obvious differences. The other headlines don't mention the word 'immigrant' and only the Mail headline mentions that the brothers are Romanian.

The other difference is that all the other sources mention that it was a 'client' who gave her a mobile phone to contact her family. The Breitbart article only says that 'Eventually, she was able to get in touch with her family in Romania' without mentioning how this came about. I'm not sure what we should conclude from this omission.

What differences did you notice?

@Portnlemon Ok I see your point. I think we've been talking at slightly crossed purposes. Yes migration is extremely relevant in the context of this article and I agree actually that it is an issue if some of the media shy away from these kind of stories and I can see in the guardian choosing to do just that.

However in my opinion the language and structure used is important as it chosen to grab attention and have an impact. Most people don't read the news analytically or even check sources they just see headlines and snippets telling them all the terrible things migrants are doing. Being selective about language used is not just about hurting feelings it is also also being careful not to feed into a wider culture of fear and xenophobia around anyone who wasn't born in this country. I can see how this particular issue of trafficking which is utterly vile human slavery is very interlinked with immigration, but Breitbart's content generally has a very anti migrant sentiment which means I view the publication with very cynical eyes.

That's where it all overlaps, surely? All serious female problems and a hell of a tangle to sort out
Not for me personally, it's quite simple the truth no matter who you offend. The protection of the vulnerable over calculating the political loses/gains before you act. Take the Trafficking story, the MSM has a larger online presence, a young woman could read the story and she knows what signs to look potentially preventing her from becoming a victim.

@DidoLamenting

if you need me to tell you from that simple declarative statement then you believe what they believe - that Black Lives Matter activists are terrorists (that would make you a racist - but you know that) and that Antifa is an actual terrorist organisation (see the FBI on this one)

Antifa is a terrorist organisation.

Black Lives Matter (the version with capital letters) is Marxist. The BLM activists in Portland are thugs and criminals. I couldn't care less if you think that makes me a racist as I couldn't care less for the opinion of anyone defending the illiberal , fascist thugs in Antifa,

brilliant. We couldn't care less about each other. ]

Well I do care about you because you are exactly the kind of fascist racist faux-intellectual (and probably a Trump bot) who is determined to undermine democracy and will make the US a worse place for my children to live in.

but other than that I couldn't give two shits what you think - your agenda is clear to me and I despise it.

If this is the first time you have heard of the Romanian problem with trafficking women to be raped for profit then you really are in a censorship zone

www.insideover.com/society/how-romania-became-europes-sex-trafficking-factory.html

metro.co.uk/2019/11/14/police-rescue-29-women-romanian-human-traffickers-early-morning-raid-11126407/
www.euractiv.com/section/all/opinion/human-trafficking-in-romania-an-integrated-approach-needed-in-the-era-of-open-borders/

Is it really possible that modern feminism requires us to suppress the nationality of the rapist criminals to meet it's own non racist identity needs?

Well I do care about you because you are exactly the kind of fascist racist faux-intellectual (and probably a Trump bot) who is determined to undermine democracy and will make the US a worse place for my children to live in.

In recent years I have seen the following ideas promoted in the Guardian, and within left-wing political circles:

Antisemitism
Racial essentialism
Support of censorship
The idea that ideology should trump facts
Silencing of women
The notion that violence is an appropriate response to ideological disagreement
Support of big business, providing it supports the right ideology

The fascists are on the move, and they aren’t the people who dislike BLM...

‘Is it really possible that modern feminism requires us to suppress the nationality of the rapist criminals to meet it's own non racist identity needs?’

Well yes, given how people kept insisting we prioritise male refugees who had already entered Europe rather than tackle the mass human trafficking of women and girls From refugee camps on the Syrian border into other Middle East/North African countries.

This is a depressing thread.

Ten pages of "don't read Brietbart, it's not nice".
Followed by two pages of "you read Brietbart and they said the word MIGRANT. That's really not nice."

Fortunately the MET prosecuted these Romanian men who decided that the career of choice they could see their mates in Romania making a fortune out of was the right thing to do.

How likely is this to appear in the Guardian? Anyone want to place a bet?

The fascists are on the move, and they aren’t the people who dislike BLM...

The fascists are on the move,, and it's coming from both "sides".....

Which is unfortunate, because both sides tend to attack the centre.

[quote pinkpinecone]@LemonadeAndDaisyChains completely agree!

It is impotent to consider views across the spectrum, but there is a line to be drawn with Breitbart which is a far right publication that spouts deeply misogynistic views.

So regardless of whether it's a good article or not their whole agenda is completely at odds with feminist beliefs. I think it's rather odd to share the work of this publication and claim it's a good article. As it seems you are so focussed on one issue that you've lost sight of the bigger picture. [/quote]
Have you looked at Men's Health's twitter?
Watched Joe Rogan's interview with Abigail Shrier?
I wouldn't dream of taking Breitbart's word for anything. It's more of a jumping off place for me. This one is especially easy to verify. Really, just watch the video and see if you think it's reasonable.

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

The fascists are on the move, and they aren’t the people who dislike BLM...

The fascists are on the move,, and it's coming from both "sides".....

I think it’s actually not two sides; there are a lot of people who think they’re on the left, but are actually hard right. There is a lot of competition right now as to exactly what flavour of fascism will prevail.

Well I do care about you because you are exactly the kind of fascist racist faux-intellectual (and probably a Trump bot) who is determined to undermine democracy and will make the US a worse place for my children to live in

What utter rubbish. Your hysterical post demonstrates beautifully the intolerant idiocy of the intolerant left . You have a complete lack of understanding of the meaning of "fascist" or "racist"

but other than that I couldn't give two shits what you think - your agenda is clear to me and I despise it

"My agenda" - dearie me- what might that be? Beyond refusing to grovel to diktats of left wing fascist?

@DidoLamenting

Attacks against the state and it's infrastructure or armed forces etc aren't really terrorism

Of course such attacks are terrorism.

Um, yeah. That's what terrorism means.

It's not defined by how you feel about them, or the emotional baggage someone wants to attach to a group.

In a conflict, it is pertinent whether a group targets militarily justifiable targets, as it means that they are soldiers rather than terrorists, and the laws that apply to them, for example the Geneva Conventions, are different.

In a thread about using language and manipulating facts in order to bias the narrative, I'd hope people would be able to understand that nation-states can manipulate both public perception of groups, and in order to advantage themselves in terms of the law. Surely people haven't forgotten all the questions about the people held at Guantanamo Bay with no charge, no legal council, and no hope of a trail? The legality of which was very much dependent upon whether they were legitimate combatants or something else.

Trial, not trail!

Breitbart? Fucking BREITBART?

Did you at least read the thread first?

Well I do care about you because you are exactly the kind of fascist racist faux-intellectual (and probably a Trump bot) who is determined to undermine democracy and will make the US a worse place for my children to live in

Lot of baseless insults here, imo.

BLM is a Marxist organisation and I don’t support it (though I expect a lot of the peaceful protesters— the actual peaceful ones — don’t know that).

Antifa are a bunch of terrorist thugs. A black Trump supporter who was covering the protest and rioting was stabbed in Portland by a white antifa member. He says he was doxxed and targeted for his political beliefs. Andy Ngo is hounded by antifa for his political beliefs as well.

These two are not federal agents or whatever and have been harassed and injured (one almost killed) by antifa for their political beliefs!

Stating facts is extremely loaded in the current political climate?

Politically inconvenient facts are indeed extremely loaded ...

Was that for me @ItsLateHumpty? If so, no - I lost interest on the "safetyism" of the "fascist left" and gave up when I got to the "terrorists in BLM". A string of extreme button-pushing language designed to whip up hysteria. Exactly what I'd expect from Breitbart.

A black Trump supporter who was covering the protest and rioting was stabbed in Portland by a white antifa member. He says he was doxxed and targeted for his political beliefs. Andy Ngo is hounded by antifa for his political beliefs as well

The people who get their 'news' from the Guardian have never heard of Andy Ngo. They can't comprehend that there are black Trump supporters. Their heads would explode through the cognitive dissonance. They have zero clue about Antifa, but they like the name and they are anti Trump, so only bigots object. Right? They use bigot alot. Whenever anyone raises a point they can't answer. This happens frequently.

The real irony? Antifa explicitly state that they use violence for political ends. They stormed Berkeley dressed in black paramilitary gear. They are violently opposed to freedom ofspeech and will stomp anyone who doesn't comply. In Portland, they are on day sixty of a concerted campaign to cause havoc. This is violence with a political purpose. They have been burning buildings, destroying people's businesses, using lasers to blind cops. If Antifa had any political or historical literacy, or access to a mirror, the grim authoritarian similarity with the tactics of other street thugs from last century might give them pause. But since they have none of the above, they rampage on, filled with fanatical righteous zeal. This thread is filled with people tossing around unsubstantiated slurs and repeatedly failing to discuss the core issue. The failure of an increasingly supine media to do its job. The existential threat to freedom of speech posed by Antifa and its apologists. The wilful ignorance of Antifa's apologists is deliberate.

....repeatedly failing to discuss the core issue. The failure of an increasingly supine media to do its job
This nails it for me. I probably wouldn't even be on FWR, if I could still trust The Guardian to do its job and report the fucking news.
But after belatedly learning about Cologne, Rotherham, Rochdale, David Challenor, attacks on women trying to meet to discuss their rights, I now I look at them - and the BBC - and ask myself why I should believe a single word they say.

floisme
I agree. This is a serious dereliction of duty by the media. The Guardian, the BBC, are failing to report news. Their readers have serious, profound gaps in their knowledge of current events. And there is a significant human cost to this failure, as your examples demonstrate.

Yes and they have no idea how much damage they have done. No idea whatsoever.

[quote Portnlemon]I've decided to catch up on Brietbart news and review similar reports elsewhere. The third article in London/Europe is this one. Ten or so other reports elsewhere including Standard and DM.

Search for Dumitru and Guardian. Nothing.

www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/07/27/uk-dumitru-brothers-jailed-forcing-romanian-migrant-sex-slavery/[/quote]
But search 'sex traffic Romania Guardian' and you get plenty of Guardian articles talking about other cases and the issues, so it's not like they're not reporting on the problem.