Good Breitbart article on the tactics of the political left

[Zinco]

www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/23/nolte-mens-health-wants-joe-rogan-blacklisted-for-vile-transphobia/

"We all know how this bullshit of “safetyism” works on the fascist left. You fascists accuse someone you disagree with of making you or POC’s or whoever feel “unsafe,” and suddenly expression that speech become “violence” and that physical act of violent speech must be blacklisted and canceled.

Meanwhile, according to the left, the terrorists in Black Lives Matter and Antifa who are burning, looting marauding, and toppling are not committing violence. Their actual violence is speech."

"When you accuse someone of “putting lives in danger” over a perfectly reasonable and science-based discussion about transitioning, especially when just a few years ago these arguments were treated as mainstream; when you accuse someone of “fanning the flames of hate” and being “dangerous,” that is way beyond a debate.

That is about silencing someone, about accusing them of being responsible in some way for a suicide or hate crime they had nothing to do with."

I've decided to catch up on Brietbart news and review similar reports elsewhere. The third article in London/Europe is this one. Ten or so other reports elsewhere including Standard and DM.

Search for Dumitru and Guardian. Nothing.

www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/07/27/uk-dumitru-brothers-jailed-forcing-romanian-migrant-sex-slavery/

BelleHathor said:

This comedy sketch has been trending and shows this weird place society is currently in..

When Wokes and Racists Actually Agree on Everything
m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev373c7wSRg

Thanks for the video. Also poking fun...

Levi's Wokes -- SNL

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

The Mail /Times etc arecnot and never were "far right"

Which is why I said there's a world of bloody difference between the Daily Mail and Breitbart!

You have missed my point.

What I meant was that MNETTERS no longer get a fit of the vapours if they click on a Mail link. I found that interesting and encouraging.

What I meant was that MNETTERS no longer get a fit of the vapours if they click on a Mail link

Oh OK, fair enough, but my point still stands - that it used to be left, or middling centric on here, but there's such a shift to the far right that Daily Mail is seen as more middling, more non hatred, than it was (for want of a better word!) and not strong enough, so it's a shift to Breitbart - where does that line end then? If it keeps getting pushed further? It's like being desensitised to far right views.
You say interesting, I do too - although as you say it is encouraging, you probably mean interesting in a different way to me though as I certainly don't think it's encouraging.

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains completely agree!

It is impotent to consider views across the spectrum, but there is a line to be drawn with Breitbart which is a far right publication that spouts deeply misogynistic views.

So regardless of whether it's a good article or not their whole agenda is completely at odds with feminist beliefs. I think it's rather odd to share the work of this publication and claim it's a good article. As it seems you are so focussed on one issue that you've lost sight of the bigger picture.

Ooh Zinco nice sketch pretty risqué for Saturday night live in this climate, I imagine a lot of folk furiously typing complaints 😂
More poking fun:
Woke Scold Hotline
m.youtube.com/watch?v=uiYGIFJ-VEE

Search for Dumitru and Guardian. Nothing

And yet Maritime Radio managed to report it.

www.maritimeradio.co.uk/plumstead-brothers-jailed-for-sex-trafficking/

but there is a line to be drawn with Breitbart which is a far right publication that spouts deeply misogynistic views

More misogynistic than The Guardian which apparently doesn't think a deeply troubling sex slavery case isn't even worth reporting?

Please excuse the double negative in my last post.

More misogynistic than

Nobody's saying more misogynistic than - it's not a competition! Extreme either "way" views is never good.
A shift to far right shares and thinking isn't encouraging in my view but I accept others think differently.

It is impotent to consider views across the spectrum, but there is a line to be drawn with Breitbart which is a far right publication that spouts deeply misogynistic views
So regardless of whether it's a good article or not their whole agenda is completely at odds with feminist beliefs it seems you are so focussed on one issue that you've lost sight of the bigger picture

Exactly

Nobody's saying more misogynistic than - it's not a competition! Extreme either "way" views is never good.

Do you would advise against people reading The Guardian as well then?

I really wouldn't put "good" and "Breitbart" in the same sentence.

You can hold the same view as someone for different reasons. That still doesn't mean you should give any space to far-right, facist, racist, anti-feminist organisations - even if they happen to coincide with your thinking on one issue for very different reasons. Don't fool yourself that Breitbart gives one shit about women.

also it's a badly written shite article - as expected.

And "the terrorists in antifa and Black Lives Matter" quoted in your original post. we all know what you are saying.

@DidoLamenting Yes it is worse. Just look at how this piece was reported by Breitbart, yes it's factually accurate but the Breitbart headline is intentionally sensationalising the issue of immigration to further it's far right agenda. It doesn't have anything to do with women's right at all it's just a useful story to further their cause. That is because Breitbart's ideological standpoint does not believe in equality of the sexes and is very much about upholding the patriarchy.

The trans debate is extremely contentious and I understand the issues with the guardian, but in my opinion its important not to get tunnel vision and start sharing content from a media outlet that publishes hateful and problematic narratives about women.

And "the terrorists in antifa and Black Lives Matter" quoted in your original post. we all know what you are saying

Spell it out for us. What do you think they’re saying?

Do you would advise against people reading The Guardian as well then

The Guardian's MSM (main stream media) - so's Daily Mail.
I read articles from both. As I said, from both leanings.
Bit of difference to Breitbart though.
If the topic you're focussing on is being pushed out to the far right though there's your problem - I personally think (for me) to stop and think why - it's curtailing rights for one group, how is that a good thing?
People are deluded if they think far right will stop at trans rights if you're agreeing with them on that one topic - black women, gay women, non trans women (abortions etc) - it'd affect every woman.
How is that feminism?

@MangoFeverDream

And "the terrorists in antifa and Black Lives Matter" quoted in your original post. we all know what you are saying

Spell it out for us. What do you think they’re saying?

if you need me to tell you from that simple declarative statement then you believe what they believe - that Black Lives Matter activists are terrorists (that would make you a racist - but you know that) and that Antifa is an actual terrorist organisation (see the FBI on this one).

And those who equate the Guardian or the Daily Mail with Brietbart?? Are you that stupid or do you think the rest of us are that stupid?

I presume half of the posters on this thread are russian bots or similar. I hope so otherwise I might have to think that feminists in the UK think that Breitbart has some serious insights and that article gave some seriously intellectual insights. That would be sad.

@BigChocFrenzy
If GC feminism becomes allied with the far right, then you'll lose a lot of current supporters Me, for example
I grew up poor and mixed race, so racial insults, assaults and racism blighted particularly my earlier life, in the 1960s
They came mostly from the political right and it was the right who fiercely opposed laws protecting me fom racism
Those laws forbidding people's freedom to yell "dirty wog, go home" (I was born in the UK) made a real difference to my life

Just reading back the thread and read your post. People seem to be quoting your post but cherry picking and saying "throwing women under a bus" for thinking like this.
Erm, what? Guilt tripping manipulation posts .... just what?!
Women, all women are affected by the far right. Not "just" white ones.
This is where the problem lies

And those who equate the Guardian or the Daily Mail with Brietbart?? Are you that stupid or do you think the rest of us are that stupid?

This is what I can't get my head around - how the fuck is it the same?!

God, sorry me again.
Is it stupidity, though, I think it's harsh to say stupidity - a few years ago and a lot less reading, lot less history reading as well - I think sometimes it comes from a place of not knowing.
(Those who have settled for their views after reading, fair enough, it's up to you)
It's those who aren't up to speed. Those in the middle. Those who aren't aligned either way. Entrenched extremists in their ways will never sway and that's up to them.
When I was younger I was definitely more right leaning, becoming more and more left as I get older and read up on things outside my bubble though.
Which is why sometimes I think MN is poisonous sometimes but on the other hand love it as it's somewhere for both viewpoints to air, important to hear both "sides."
People are challenged and not just blocked and that's good

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

Do you would advise against people reading The Guardian as well then

The Guardian's MSM (main stream media) - so's Daily Mail.
I read articles from both. As I said, from both leanings.
Bit of difference to Breitbart though.
If the topic you're focussing on is being pushed out to the far right though there's your problem - I personally think (for me) to stop and think why - it's curtailing rights for one group, how is that a good thing?
People are deluded if they think far right will stop at trans rights if you're agreeing with them on that one topic - black women, gay women, non trans women (abortions etc) - it'd affect every woman.
How is that feminism?

But when you said this

Nobody's saying more misogynistic than - it's not a competition! Extreme either "way" views is never good.

You were answering a poster who had referred to the misogyny of The Guardian?

I might have similar views that humans can't change sex, that men can't be women, that males shouldn't be allowed into female safe spaces and that children shouldn't be experimented on with off label drugs, as someone who is 'far right'.

There is not much I can do about that. I'm not about to say 'yeah let's abolish single sex spaces and dish out the Lupron to any boy who likes pink and glitter' just so that I am 'aligned with the right people'? That's crazy!

Your two options KingFredsTache are either to change your view to support experimenting on children with off-label drugs or to studiously avoid any exposure to any source that could be referred to as "far right". (These days anything can be "far right" in the same way that anything can be "transphobic".)

I don't think either of these options are worth choosing.

I don't see the issue with calling antifa terrorists? It's part of their ideology to use violence to advance their political cause and silence their opponents. So er, not terrorism?

BLM is more questionable, and the people involved presumably have different points of view on whether violence is a good idea or not.

One activist being interviewed:

"I don't condone nor I condemn the violence"

"you can't keep treating people the way we're being treated and expect them not to lash out",

"When people hear me say 'burn down the system' they point and they say 'you're a terrorist'... I don't promote violence unless it's in self defence"

People can make their own judgements, but it does sound to me like maybe he is a little bit sympathetic towards the violence.