Fair Cop dropping hints on Twitter

[teawamutu]

About something big about to happen to a red organisation beginning with 'S' that they won't like.

V unfair to vaguetweet IMO - anyone else seen it?

When I was a kid there was a weird old bloke in the village and rumour had it that he used to smell kids bike seats.

I suspect this was entirely fictional now.

boatyardblues think I'd prefer the engine tbh

I want to be Olivia when I'm 103!

A rickshaw with an engine might be nice in the summer

*@FlaviaAlbiaWantsLangClegBack you can change your name easily online - well, it's a start

highame

I’ve never actually tried a recumbent, itsall- there’re something I just can’t get my head round!

I am another who likes a slight downward tilt to my saddle dianaslasso. Takes the pressure off the bit that got the blister. Thanks for coming to my TMI TED talk

Definitely no undies, boatyard -am wincing at the thought of the chafing 😳

This is rather sobering though.

www.faircop.org.uk/fruit-of-the-poison-tree/

Good luck Sarah in the appeal. This is obviously why hate crime stats are so high. Thank you for continuing to speak out.

@Winesalot

This is rather sobering though.

www.faircop.org.uk/fruit-of-the-poison-tree/

Good luck Sarah in the appeal. This is obviously why hate crime stats are so high. Thank you for continuing to speak out.

Sheesh. That is terrifying. Stalin, McCarthy and Mao spring to mind as historical precedents.

Why don't the police bother telling you if they have recorded a "hate incident" against your name? It's been shown that it may showy up in an enhanced PVG / DBS check - surely people have a right to know?

This scheme is obviously wide open to, and is obviously being used to maliciously label people with no right of reply.

@Winesalot

This is rather sobering though.

www.faircop.org.uk/fruit-of-the-poison-tree/

Good luck Sarah in the appeal. This is obviously why hate crime stats are so high. Thank you for continuing to speak out.

Good Grief! In addition to running periodic Experian/similar checks to check whether there are any false applications/ID theft scams running, do we now need to make regular SARs to check our gossip biography?

@Winesalot

This is rather sobering though.

www.faircop.org.uk/fruit-of-the-poison-tree/

Good luck Sarah in the appeal. This is obviously why hate crime stats are so high. Thank you for continuing to speak out.

I have a feeling it's not as bad as it looks. Because of the non-hate-hate-crime case, Sarah has a direct route to the Supreme Court and that is really good.

Also, these things that come to light (from the Police) , seems like an inside job. I love a conspiracy theory but I bet I'm not far from the truth.

Bloody hell Sarah that is really ... can't think of any words that might not be twisted other that "illogical". Truly illogical particularly re
"find this constant energetic attempts by many to rewrite history as truly disturbing. Yes, the Nazis hated a lot of people but without doubt it was those of the Jewish faith who were primarily targeted for mass destruction. Are we now to hear of the Trans Holocaust?"

as somehow... anti-Jewish?
Honestly I have found TRA comparisons of "t*rfs = Nazis" etc very confusing as at least one has come across as incredibly anti-Jewish due to their (I'm assuming in good faith) very confused and muddled analogies. If I was so inclined I could make a stronger case for antisemitism by some of the TRAs we see on here, but I won't, because I don't want to support the non-hate-hate-crime system.

@EmpressJKRowlingSpartacus

Just finished the Classic. Thanks for that, cried with laughing most of the way through. God we women are funny when we're on a roll

This thread is a very dangerous if eating tomato soup....there was nearly a cleaning soup out of the carpet/ duvet/curtains incident.

"There are pages and pages of my ‘hate’ against transgender people where I say disgusting and offensive things like this:

The Equality Act does protect sex as a characteristic. But it isn’t one of the police’s bonkers protected strands for the purposes of hate crime/non crime as they know it would overwhelm them in about five minutes.

The police (rightly) took no further action commenting, ‘what she says is not offence [sic] no matter how disagreeable and offensive to the RP’ (reporting person). However, despite that inevitable conclusion, it is still recorded as a ‘hate incident’ against my name — which is helpfully set out in ALL CAPS. No third party reviewing that document will see the word ‘incident’. They will see the word ‘hate’.

The anodyne nature of the tweets and the fact that someone waited until December to report publications made in May, made me doubt that anyone could genuinely have been outraged. That doubt was cemented when I looked more closely at the screenshots and saw the words in bold: Jewish, hate, police, report, trans woman, Nazi. Someone had simply conducted an advanced search of my tweets using those keywords. Any outrage here was clearly manufactured.

I made a complaint to the police on the basis that this report was malicious. I was able to provide a wealth of evidence to support my assertion that I have been targeted and harassed online since 2016 by a group of people. The clearest evidence of malice in my view was the online boasting of one anonymous Twitter account which in June 2020 made repeated gleeful references to my now having a ‘record for life’ of my ‘hate’.

I asked the police to either delete this recording or if they would not do that, to delete all identifying details about me and simply refer to ‘a Wiltshire resident’. If they would not do that, my third and least favourite option would be to amend the record to include my objections and that I had provided evidence to support my assertion that this was a malicious complaint.

The police decided they would not delete but record my objections alongside this record, which will be kept for six years."

Wow. Sarah

Why can't the police anonymise these records? These 'incidents' are nothing like crimes, so the only purpose of logging them is statistical analysis - right? And even then, the value of the data is questionable when it includes 'incidents' like someone tweeting 'Huh.'

It's insane. The whole of gender critical Twitter could, systematically, screenshot any old tweet from a transactivist and sent it to the police.

You could do thousands.

And they'd have to log it???

These 'incidents' are nothing like crimes,

They're barely really 'incidents', really. Vague, spiteful gossip is about as close as I can get to the mechanism of reporting completely unobjectionable tweets like those shared by Sarah.

Please don't anyone tell my local town community council about this, the police force (which has been whittled away to barely nothing already) will have its hands very full attending to the dozens of facebook spats recorded as 'hate incidents' from various people who have spent years bickering online and would just love the chance to try and get one over on Billy over-the-road-with-the-lame-dog.

Who the hell thought this was a good idea? Wasting police time AND threatening people's future job prospects for absolutely no good reason? Madness.

According to Stonewall, two in five trans people experienced hate crime or incident last year.

Okay, but surely even Stonewall agrees that reporting stuff like Sarah's tweets is absurd and counterproductive. How good is their data?

It is in the interests of the TRA agenda for there to be an apparent increase in the numbers of such crimes or incidents though.

Easy to see how such an increase might therefore come about.

@ThePurported

According to Stonewall, two in five trans people experienced hate crime or incident last year.

Okay, but surely even Stonewall agrees that reporting stuff like Sarah's tweets is absurd and counterproductive. How good is their data?

In which case I’d say that 100% of women are on that category.

Jeeze. Good luck Sarah, that's shocking.

the requirement that any report of ‘hate’ had to be recorded, without any investigation into the credibility of that report and without any right of reply for the alleged perpetrator.

So this is how those highly questionable statements about an 'explosion ' in hate crimes come about. I'd wondered for quite a while what constituted a 'hate crimes. Answer? Any vague invérifiable thing.

It's preposterous; when you read the abuse women get for saying very basic things - as Jk demonstrated - you question why these things are not recorded as hate crimes.

It's bonkers. According to the met -

"A hate incident is any incident which the victim, or anyone else, thinks is based on someone’s prejudice towards them because of their race, religion, sexual orientation, disability or because they are transgender."

They add "Not all hate incidents will amount to criminal offences, but it is equally important that these are reported and recorded by the police. Evidence of the hate element is not a requirement. You do not need to personally perceive the incident to be hate related. It would be enough if another person, a witness or even a police officer thought that the incident was hate related."

So if I think anyone is being hateful, I should report it, even if it's nothing to do with me and there is no evidence of hate

I'm surprised hate crime rates are so low actually.

If clarifying the law as regards to the equality act is an act of hate, surely every legal case, every arrest and every commons debate are acts of hate.

@JackiesArmy

It's bonkers. According to the met -

"A hate incident is any incident which the victim, or anyone else, thinks is based on someone’s prejudice towards them because of their race, religion, sexual orientation, disability or because they are transgender."

They add "Not all hate incidents will amount to criminal offences, but it is equally important that these are reported and recorded by the police. Evidence of the hate element is not a requirement. You do not need to personally perceive the incident to be hate related. It would be enough if another person, a witness or even a police officer thought that the incident was hate related."

So if I think anyone is being hateful, I should report it, even if it's nothing to do with me and there is no evidence of hate

I'm surprised hate crime rates are so low actually.

Hm. I wonder if some extremely concerned citizens started diligently reporting hate incidents on, say, Twitter, to the police, how long it would be before something had to give?

Clearly, it doesn't need to be something one has been involved with, or have evidence of. The reporting is the important thing.

I presume the police also maintain a record of whom is reporting the 'incidents'? Is there any mention at all of consequences for malicious reporting?