Anyone else sick of still seeing Pride logos everywhere?

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I don't have a problem with Pride, and its role in raising awareness etc in the way that many campaigns have awareness days/ weeks etc. I can remember when it used to be a week, then it became a month (June). All fine.

But I've just seen John Lewis still has its Pride logo on its Facebook page, as does one of our local council pages and the Twitter feed of a group affiliated to the local police.

Surely the point of a month-long campaign is that it is, er, a month and then you revert back to your usual branding, or else the impact is lost?

I have to confess, some of this is a design and marketing issue for me, as the Pride versions of high street logos are usually appalling - the John Lewis one being a case in point!

Sorry, but doesn't p stand for "pan"?

That's covered by the B. Surely they wouldn't be saying that Bi people are transphobic by definition?

Frankly I wonder if any/many from the gay community are LGBT fatigued as the "brand" with growing tags of terminology for alternative identity inclusiveness is diluting the original purpose. Initially this was to detaboo and offer acceptance and legality for historically shamed and swept under the carpet alternative lifestyle choices. Now it's appears to be a catch all bandwagon for inclusiveness.

Bottom line - for birth certificates and passports can there be other blended alternative sex categories?

I am open to specialist re-education on this if necessary to keep updated.

Just started a new job Everyones auto email signature has a large rainbow after it....

Which says Thank you NHS across it

Someone in a woke organisation I’m involved with complained that the rainbow had been appropriated by the NHS. Such is the narcissism involved in identity politics that some people think they own the actual rainbow and all representations of it.

Frankly I wonder if any/many from the gay community are LGBT fatigued as the "brand" with growing tags of terminology for alternative identity inclusiveness is diluting the original purpose.

Completely. But the dilution started with the addition of the T.

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Sorry, but doesn't p stand for "pan"?

That's covered by the B. Surely they wouldn't be saying that Bi people are transphobic by definition?

Yeah they do actually

Because bisexual still says they prefer men OR women

Pansexual says you like someone despite their sex or gender

Frankly I wonder if any/many from the gay community are LGBT fatigued as the "brand" with growing tags of terminology for alternative identity inclusiveness is diluting the original purpose. Initially this was to detaboo and offer acceptance and legality for historically shamed and swept under the carpet alternative lifestyle choices. Now it's appears to be a catch all bandwagon for inclusiveness.

The more complex language becomes, the more it is rejected. I have noticed that people say LGB or LGBT even though there are all the add ons. So live in hope.

I remember being involved in helping the gay community when AIDS erupted. Pride had always 'filled me with pride' excuse but recently it doesn't seem to be focused and hardline of anything is never a good look for the population at large and their the ones whose support gets issues accepted and moved forward. I hope it gets taken back

yes, I really am, every time I see a rainbow now I do an eye roll, which is so sad as lots of my friends are gay! I saw someone posted the John Lewis emblem/flag - maybe we should be more like the TRA's and get busy on twitter, (a bit like that guardian post about job cuts which I loved reading, poor bloke got more than he bargained for there I think), so John Lewis know how we feel.....

John Lewis wouldn’t bother - they were very ‘on-Pride’ last year and have mixed sex changing rooms (and wouldn’t discuss this when people complained). It’s not about rights and protests these days - it’s a cheap way to tick the ‘inclusive’ box (no extra access facilities to install, no disabled loos/ramps/Braille signs...).

I didn't used to be. I used to think the values of inclusivity it stood for were the same values I stood for - despite the fact that as a 'B' I was part of the invisible letter in the alphabet soup and have never really felt my sexuality made me part of a 'community' (or indeed was of that much interest to anyone else).

That was before the 'literal violence' crowd misappropriated those values and started stampeding over my sex-based rights. Now they've succeeded in making that flag stick in the craw of even one-time natural 'allies'.

Sorry, but doesn't p stand for "pan"?

That's an interesting one. Pigeonholing themselves into these supposedly liberating but in reality restrictive categories is painting themselves into a corner. They're trapping themselves in the net of their own grandiose theorizing, and in doing so disrespecting and invalidating the identities of others while shrieking to have their own upheld. The doublethink is extraordinary. But I'm hopeful that the brighter sunlight (thanks JKR) will enable the current backlash will gather pace and the lobby will be asked the questions they don't want to answer.

I'm bisexual, not pansexual. Women who are exclusively lesbian are definitely not pansexual. The rhetoric over the 'cotton ceiling' (a term now seen far less often; wonder why?) is the same kind that doesn't even give victims of rape a pass on all this nonsense and tries to insinuate itself into their crisis centres. It's coercive, and it muddies the waters around a serious issue of consent that should be transparent and clear-cut. If people are not very concerned about this issue then they should be.

The sad thing is that if I boycotted every organisation seemingly upholding this coercive, misogynistic, dangerous rhetoric, I'd have nowhere left to shop. And the question of shopping would be moot in any event, because I'd also have rendered myself out of a job.

2 years ago, I would of been marching at pride. I’ve always been pro LGB, the T I guess I associated with being like LGB without really thinking about it, for years.
Then I saw, I saw what was happening to women’s rights. I saw the misogyny, the sexism. I’m fundamentally against sexist stereotypes, I realised is a core belief in trans ideology. I saw what was happening to children. The rainbow/ pride now makes me feel affronted, because of the agenda they’re pushing.

I saw the rape threats, I saw the lets hit TERFS with the baseball bat. I realised there had been no debate and felt this was really sinister.

Yes, I thought that a big part of the gay rights movement was to normalise the idea that you could be openly gay, but you were still seen as a 'normal person' with a normal life.

That seems to have now been lost in a desperation for everyone to identify as 'special', with drag queens reading stories to kids 'representing LGBT', Pride marches with blokes dressed as adult babies featuring on BBC News articles, and rainbow emojis being used to dismiss concerns about 11 year old boys dancing on stage in gay nightclubs while adults throw dollar bills at them.

By the way, if anyone still has any doubts about some of the motives at play here, I give you this: From flagship gay rights charity Stonewall.

One of their 'recommendations' is to end the single sex exemptions in the Equality Act. Meaning that a woman would never be able to go to a guaranteed all female refuge, would never be able to guarantee a female for an intimate procedure, would never be able to a 'women only space' and know for sure that there were no males there.

It's right there, in black and white.

Yes I do because they are promoting one group above all others. It is not just one month - there was also LGBT history month where they did it too around Easter. They don’t do similar for other groups - just LBGTABCDEFGHIJKLM. It shows that equality or equity is not the aim...

Because bisexual still says they prefer men OR women
Pansexual says you like someone despite their sex or gender

Ah thanks for that. wondered what the difference was - must admit I thought "how is bi not the same as pan if both are liking men and women?
Despite sex and gender makes sense now, every day's a school day

The new flag - who came up with this and how did it get so much traction so fast? I saw it on the mencap twitter feed. Where will it end?

Blimey - what did I get deleted for? I wrote about how pride was something I used to feel (for want of a better phrase) ally-ship with, on account of having watched lesbian friends and their long struggles to get the right to first civil partnerships then marriage. And that for me personally it was disappointing to see that civil rights movement co-opted by interest groups, some of which were homophobic, regressive and misogynistic (the sort of special interest groups who say things like lesbians should work through their reluctance to date people with penises, or who are happy to campaign for an end to safe and fair sports for women).

Genuinely puzzled as I've only had a tiny handful of deletions -fingers of one hand level - in 10 years of using this site. To have got one for writing in support of my lesbian friends and the fact that through pride I used to feel like I had an opportunity to celebrate with them the fact that they now have the same rights heterosexuals like me took for granted - I'm totally baffled.

I got deleted for - well I can’t really say - but it was when my bank decorated the whole front with a rainbow and the doorway was like going under a heart shaped rainbow. It was like a Disneyland ‘tunnel of love’ ride!

As why it was deleted. Someone obviously complained.

The new flag - who came up with this and how did it get so much traction so fast?

Not sure why people seem to have a problem with the new flag? Seen that a bit on here
From what I can see it isn't the new brown and black addition to show even more inclusion ie BAME (think it is anyway)
Not sure why that's a bad thing if so?

Plus the trans flag too. It’s becoming everything to everyone. But why add BAME to the mix?