Being sexually attractive to men validates womanhood

[BewaretheIckabog]

I am fuming and this thread may well be removed. Why on earth do people suggest listening to Munroe Bergdorf or Paris Lees as the voices of trans women?

One modelled for Playboy and the other thinks being wolf-whistled and eye-fucked is cool. Enjoying being sexually objectified apparently is not only a positive part of the experience of being a woman but also qualifies you to lead the Women’s March and makes you a feminist.

Grrrr

Fuck that.

So you're only a woman if you're 'fit'? Are unattractive men not valid as males then? Jesus Christ I'm so far down the rabbit hole I'm going to identify as Benjamin Fucking Bunny.

Narcissism, is the answer.

They're taking us fucking backwards. Progressive my arse.

They're just reinforcing stupid gender stereotypes we've been fighting off for years. Pathetic.

I do think gender stereotypes are so terrible nor. If you’d done Love Island and reality TV in the eighties you’d have had girls with haircuts like Sinead o Connor wearing Docs and dungarees Bananarama style and boys with make up and flowing New Romantic clothes next to more traditional stereotypes.

Honestly, don’t think you see girls with short hair on TV now.

Would sensible women in the 80s have gone on sth as awful as Love Island, where women are objectified and compete for male sexual attention?

It is the old misogynistic measurement twaddle. Woman=fuckable.

Not fuckable = feel sorry for - 'naice' older women, 'ugly' women, not women.

It’s nonsense.
They’re confusing the thrill of passing (fooling an onlooker) with being sexually attractive.

They feel themselves to be sexually attractive and that is hugely stimulating, and the feedback they get reinforces it, even if it would not normally be welcome by women.

I wonder what will happen when they become middle aged and invisible to men ie unfuckable

@MingeofDeath

I wonder what will happen when they become middle aged and invisible to men ie unfuckable

I somehow doubt it will be the relief many women feel

Is this worth adding to the resource threads? Does it highlight the difference in responses these two transwomen feel against (natal) women? I think it highlights that both transwomen clearly do not feel any "threat" in the behaviour of men, that a larger majority of women may feel. Perhaps essentially, as they were born male, they are likely to have the physical stature and strength that the men behaving in this manner do, so in that respect they are clearly more on an "equal footing" so do not perceive it as a threat, but validation of themselves as what they consider a woman to be.
I do think it on the whole highlights though the divergence of opinion, generally in that these transwomen, highlight there complete lack of awareness that for a majority of women and girls, the experience of male predatory behaviour is a complete divergence of experience that these transwomen confess to experience.
As it is well known, that any abuse, sexual or otherwise will always have a power dynamic attached. Having been nurtured and socialised as male, that imbalance of power goes completely unacknowledged by them.

@fascinated

Would sensible women in the 80s have gone on sth as awful as Love Island, where women are objectified and compete for male sexual attention?

Do sensible women today go on Love Island? I'm assuming the 80s equivalent of Love Island would have had the likes of Sam Fox and Linda Lusardi alongside Nick Kamen and George Michael.

I wonder what will happen when they become middle aged and invisible to men ie unfuckable

I have wondered this. Particularly - as I hope - all this will be a passing phase which we look back on with - WTAF???!

I will be as much a woman at 88 as I was at 28.

PL and MB know this - that’s why they hate it.

I wonder what will happen when they become middle aged and invisible to men

I guess they will have the funding to continue to tweak their bodies, hair line etc to try to deny the loss of youth. It is not like they need to worry about the hormonally driven weight gains that some women experience around pregnancy and menopause. However, I am sure that they will have their own issues.

PurpleHoodie

I actually think a lot of straight men have no problem with having sex with an attractive transwomen. In fact it is probably a contributing factor to support for the TWAW slogan.

In countries where HIV is mostly transmitted through gay sex, campaigns aimed at homosexuals didn't work and had to be replaced by campaigns aimed at men who have sex with men. Of course those campaigns wouldn't work either nowadays.

Coyoacan

Those men are bi-sexual.

Or homosexual.

Nowt wrong with that.

Hetrosexual men will only have sex with women.

They only have the feminine stereotype available to them. It's all they can do.

straight men have no problem with having sex with an attractive transwomen

But then they would not be straight.

So it doesn't matter if women fancy you then?

Those men are bi-sexual

Fair enough, but they would never admit it.

You're correct. Males having sex with other males can only be bi-sexual or homosexual.

They are in-the-closet bi-sexual men if they sleep with other males and don't want others to know.