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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Paedophile with 1500 abuse images now identifies as a woman

114 replies

QuarantineDream · 14/07/2020 13:48

Also claims it was "their" gender dysphoria that caused them to download the images of pre-pubescent girls being abused.

Judge disagreed with that assessment - said Anthony had clearly gotten sexual gratification from the images - and yet STILL handed down a 2-year suspended sentence... Isn't that the definition of male privilege?

Female pronouns throughout the article.

www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/derby-news/derby-pervert-im-paedophile-123-4320791

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timetest · 14/07/2020 22:23

Are newspapers not allowed to state that Julie Marshall was previously male?

Clymene · 14/07/2020 22:44

John Marshall is still male. He is self identifying as Julie.

Fanthorpe · 14/07/2020 22:47

No GRC?

MoltenLasagne · 14/07/2020 22:51

So a report that does not mention that Julie Marshall is male plus the judge refusing to confirm which prison they'll be sent to. I'd hope from the mention of "protective measures" he is going to a men's prison but who knows any more?

Binterested · 14/07/2020 22:57

MNHQ will allow you to correctly sex these people because they are criminals. It’s an oddity of MNHQ’s moderating policy - that we can be honest about convicted criminals but not until they’ve been convicted. Up until judgment Julie was a woman because she said so. After judgement Julie was a man 🤷🏼‍♀️

I don’t make the rules - but I do laugh at them

TransScandal · 14/07/2020 23:00

transcrimeuk.com/tag/reported-as-woman/ 😡

Clymene · 14/07/2020 23:37

No GRC is mentioned in the sentencing. His name is referred to as an alias.

Clymene · 14/07/2020 23:42

And his gender is recorded as male. twitter.com/alessandraaster/status/1235974138675814403?s=21

SerenityNowwwww · 14/07/2020 23:43

Male name.
Gender is ‘male’.
Sex is male.

So why are the Leeds saying ‘she’? This is very confusing. And odd.

SerenityNowwwww · 14/07/2020 23:44

Leeds = press

Clymene · 14/07/2020 23:50

Maya Forstater wrote to a paper in March complaining that they described him as a woman and the editor replied and told her that Marsgsll is legally female. We know that is untrue because the court records show he is legally male.

Who is lying? The police? The court? The press?

twitter.com/mforstater/status/1235982216125169664?s=21

And how did we ever get to a place where a disgusting depraved sick fuck like this bloke can make any demands over and above a right to a fair trial?

JaniceBattersby · 15/07/2020 00:05

Local newspaper reporters are in an incredibly difficult position here. They’re bound by IPSO and guided by the NUJ to use whichever pronouns the criminal wants them to. We earn under 25k. There’s no way any of us can afford to resign over this on principle.

I’m a court reporter have been in several of these types of cases (I make a point of going to them) and have had several stand-up rows with my editor but ultimately we are bound by IPSO and I’d rather local papers cover the stories using incorrect pronouns than not at all.

In my experience, judges order all people in the court room to use the preferred pronouns and journalists, when quoting them, cannot and should not change a direct quote. To do so would be in contempt of court.

And also in my personal experience, and to the best of my knowledge without exception, if they’re male on the court list their crimes are recorded as male and they’re in the male prison estate even if they are calling themselves Pixie or whatever.

The way I get around this is to use no pronouns at all in stories like this if I can help it. It often takes me ages to write the copy and the phrasing can sometimes look a bit odd but I’d rather do that than use incorrect pronouns or get bollocked by IPSO.

The Derby Telegraph journalist only refers to the defendant as ‘she’ twice, which implies to me that they have taken some considerable care and know exactly what’s going on here.

Newspapers are horrifically understaffed and to physically get to court at all these days is so rare. Someone has made an effort to go along to this case, and they’ve even taken a photographer to get a pic to make the gender of the offender VERY clear to their readers. Having a go at the reporter will just make local newspapers less likely to cover cases like this.

It’s probably wiser to reserve the rage for the regulators that encourage this type of pervert to ‘identify’ as female without question.

SengaStrawberry · 15/07/2020 00:52

This is a disgrace

ContentiousOne · 15/07/2020 00:54

@FlamedToACrisp

At the very least, the defence of gender dysphoria should be completely rejected if the accused has never mentioned it or attempted to 'live as a woman' until the idea of being put in prison with a load of angry blokes seemed likely.
It should be rejected as a defence for anything!
Bearsinmotion · 15/07/2020 06:30

I wonder if Julie Marshall was on a women’s ward while accessing those images?

MoltenLasagne · 15/07/2020 07:52

@Bearsinmotion

I wonder if Julie Marshall was on a women’s ward while accessing those images?
I took that as read sadly.
Siablue · 15/07/2020 08:11

Thank you for that JaniceBattersby I appreciate that you are in a difficult situation. We only know about these stories because the local reporters not only reported on them but gave us enough info to realise the bill shit here. The photographer’s trip to the court was worthwhile here.

I am pleased that most of the time they will go to men’s prisons. I do wish someone would be brave enough to do a bumper report on all the men who have done this. It would be eye opening to many people.

I am pleased I am not going to get banned.

MushyPeasAreTheDevilsFood · 15/07/2020 08:28

www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/18582020.blackpool-woman-jailed-possessing-80-000-child-sexual-abuse-images/

Another report of the second story. No photo and no hint at all to the criminals sex.

nauticant · 15/07/2020 10:08

In my experience, judges order all people in the court room to use the preferred pronouns and journalists, when quoting them, cannot and should not change a direct quote. To do so would be in contempt of court.

www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/equal-treatment-bench-book-february-v6-2018.pdf

See Treatment of transgender people in court, page 12-3.

OvaHere · 15/07/2020 10:37

In my experience, judges order all people in the court room to use the preferred pronouns and journalists, when quoting them, cannot and should not change a direct quote. To do so would be in contempt of court.

So how will this work in cases of physical sex offending/child abuse?

I realise children aren't present in court and give evidence via video link or other means but would a little girl be expected to call an abuser 'she' if that man took on a 'female gender identity'?

Is this something already happening?

Fanthorpe · 15/07/2020 10:40

God, OvaHere what a dreadful dreadful thought that is.

OvaHere · 15/07/2020 10:46

@Fanthorpe

God, OvaHere what a dreadful dreadful thought that is.
Well yes it is!

How could the end outcome be anything else though?

SarahTancredi · 15/07/2020 10:49

How could the end outcome be anything else though?

Any one who died this is nothing short of an abuser themselves. They are in fact worse than the perp because they are supposed to.be the good guys. They are supposed to help. Instead they inflict yet more abuse on the victim. Bruises and bones heal. This mental abuse will remain fir life.

SarahTancredi · 15/07/2020 10:49

does this

Stupid phone

Fanthorpe · 15/07/2020 10:56

It was apparent in the responses that Frances Crook got that MRA’s think the most important thing is focusing on the feelings of the trans person, not the reality of the crime and the victims.