Garbage living up to their name

[AngeloMysterioso]

This is offensive on so many levels, I don’t even know where to begin.

twitter.com/garbage/status/1280611174929723392?s=21

Shirley has been fully fun fem for years. She tweeted ages ago about not wanting transphobes at her gigs, or something. Can't remember the words but remember thinking ah well Shirley, another good one down.

@MorrisZapp

Shirley has been fully fun fem for years. She tweeted ages ago about not wanting transphobes at her gigs, or something. Can't remember the words but remember thinking ah well Shirley, another good one down.

Can't name Butch Vig? I should coco.

As others have said the band existed long before Ms Manson joined. I get she does androgeny but wouldn't have thought she'd go TWAW!!

Bugger!!!

Isn't the comparison more that just like the police officers who were supposed to protect someone and instead they killed him through their own prejudices akin to terfs denying trans people any kind of rights because they just focus on genitals and not actually helping trans people in any way when they have the power to?

Even so that suggests that 'not helping' is a crime comparable to murder. It suggests that GC feminists are somehow in a position of care and duty comparable to the police and that GC feminists have the power to 'deny' anybody rights, as if they are somehow a monolith and powerful institution and not a disparate group of women asking questions. It also suggests that GC feminists have a duty to 'help' TW in the first place rather than focus on their own issues and interests.

In short it suggests that women are support humans and their failure to comply is worse than male violence. Women are not men's fucking support humans!

I lost all respect some twenty years ago when I went to a concert and the singer was drunk, singing badly and kept on drinking. I paid for the entertainment, not to see some drunk singing badly.

Neko I don't think so. Police are paid to serve and protect. It's their job.

Feminists aren't denying trans people any rights, can you explain which ones your referring to?

We don't focus on genitals except to emphasise the boundaries of women and girls. Sex segregated spaces are written in to law, do you feel the law focuses on genitals?

Why is it feminists that have the power to help trans people? If the people I'll bet mostly men who inflict pain and violence on trans people stopped I'm sure that would improve things a million fold.

And it's describing George Floyds murder to deliberately tick off the "we support BLM" box too. He was murdered by police. No trans person has been murdered by a feminist

PS why did you feel the need to use TERF in your post?

Shouldn't Shirley Manson have outgrown the Cool Girl stage by now? In any case, if she doesn't want my money then I'm more than happy not to give it to her, as would be the case with anyone twisting someone else's violent death into a way to pat themselves on the back.

(Note - I'm saying this because I'm under the impression that she does handle the band's social media. If this is some 20 something PR and not Shirley then she should tell them that they're supposed to be helping the band make money, not lose it, and their audience is not woke kids.)

Yet another example of women’s words being penalised more than men’s actions 🙄

@justanotherneighinparadise

I had no idea she was 53!!! That’s really shocked me for some reason. She’s a feminist icon apparently 🤣

Feminist icon - not in the good way.

So there’s a tour coming up. Us middle aged types are too old/skint/boring to go to a live gig these days, and they want to attract a new gen of fan.

God help them with their whining and demands...

I'm not really surprised by this. If I remember correctly Shirley Manson was involved with the whole JT Leroy literary hoax in the early 2000s (woman wrote novels pretending to be autobiographies of a MtF transgender prostitute), Cherry Lips off Beautiful Garbage was supposed to be about JT Leroy and Shirley Manson and the author exchanged emails. Reading the wikipedia article for the song is wild how much everyone involved would be cancelled to the moon and back if they said anything like that today.

Oh. No one has pointed that out on twitter yet.

because they just focus on genitals and not actually helping trans people in any way when they have the power to?

I'll stop focusing on genitals when TRAs stop threatening to use theirs as weapons against women, thanks.

Of course trans people deserve rights, and deserve to be safe. Every single person does. I've never heard anyone say otherwise.

What rights do you think women are denying trans people? And how exactly are we denying them? I don't know if you've noticed, but women's voices don't count for shit, so I'm unsure where we're getting all this power to oppress people from.

Also if you're comparing a feminists role to the police, (and comparing this debate to what happened to George Floyd) what are the statistics for trans men and women's murder at the hands of feminists?

Women wanting to protect their own rights and identity is no way comparable to police murdering black men and women. This band suggesting it is is insulting to George Floyd and his loved ones.

The whole talking about genitals is weird and icky thing reads as both childish and deeply mentally unhealthy. Grownups should be able to talk about genitals, which are often relevant to a situation, without all this oh no why would you do that you feind nonsense.

Who is it photos of their willies on a twitter thread for kids drawings? Or offers to - hmmmm - share their willies with unwilling recipients? Yes some people are definitely focussed on their genitals.

I saw that post too, very disappointing. Also, how many TRAs actually have no clue what is happening?! The amount of people going 'nobody's denying biology'. 'Self-id won't impact women's sports'. 'There have been no cases of men pretending to be trans to abuse women '..........

That is so transparent. Trying to grab a new young audience. Sad as fuck.

They can suck my hairy lady lips.

@Kljnmw3459

I saw that post too, very disappointing. Also, how many TRAs actually have no clue what is happening?! The amount of people going 'nobody's denying biology'. 'Self-id won't impact women's sports'. 'There have been no cases of men pretending to be trans to abuse women '..........

I've noticed that too, especially the 'nobody is denying biology' argument. Followed by many posts clearly denying biology. Baffling.

If no one was denying it, the whole JKR thing wouldn't have kicked off, surely?

Feminists don't deny trans people any rights. It's not a right to access people who are naked or sleeping without their consent, especially when statistically, trans women commit offences against us at the same rate as anyone else with their biology. It's not a right to compete against them in sport with a huge biological advantage (check out the various records for men's events, and women's events).

Trans women are murdered, per 100,000 in the population, less than any other group. Of course we need laws against hate, harassment and discrimination for trans people, as I do very much believe street harassment, discrimination in employment, housing etc happen and are wrong. I'm glad we have a legal framework that tries to address that. But women are vulnerable to men because of bodies, not gender identity, and transition doesn't alter that. It's not discrimination for women to say that they aren't prepared to be naked, sleeping, or vulnerable around anyone not sharing their biology, when 98% or more of sex offenders are male.

You are saying it's the job of women to prioritise those born with penises. You might want to have a think about why you believe that to be true.

@litereally

I'm not really surprised by this. If I remember correctly Shirley Manson was involved with the whole JT Leroy literary hoax in the early 2000s (woman wrote novels pretending to be autobiographies of a MtF transgender prostitute), Cherry Lips off Beautiful Garbage was supposed to be about JT Leroy and Shirley Manson and the author exchanged emails. Reading the wikipedia article for the song is wild how much everyone involved would be cancelled to the moon and back if they said anything like that today.

Omg, I'd forgotten about the whole JT Leroy thing. Certain people i knew would namedrop "him" as a literary hero set the woke crowd on that now...!

Anyone else got the lyrics to ‘Stupid Girl’ on a loop in their head right now?

“You’ll pretend you’re anything
Just to be adored”

They threw everything in there except "Karen," didn't they? No doubt someone will be along with that in a minute.

What a Mish mash of confused ideologies that is. And who voted for a superannuated pop group as thought police anyway?

Read this if in doubt. From a month ago where Shirls talks about her white woman 'cis' privilege. Seriously? I didn't think anybody over the age of 14 used cis.

www.billboard.com/articles/news/pride/9412709/christina-aguilera-pride-month-message

"I wanted to write an ode to transgender spirit, inspired by my interactions with this peculiar but emotionally generous creature I knew online as JT", Manson later recalled

• From the wiki on 'Cherry Lips' (JT was JT Leroy, a woman writing while pretending to be a transwoman)

Don't anyone let on that Manson used the 'c' word, that got the Baroness cancelled.