Munroe Bergdorf

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I am trans.

I was a follower of Munroe Bergdorf’s Instagram.

Munroe wrote a post about JK Rowling, calling her a dangerous woman to the trans community. Munroe stayed something along the lines of

“JKR is a dangerous cisgendered, white woman who is causing harm”

I replied to this post, asking why Munroe felt it necessary to mention JK Rowing’s racial identity.

I wasn’t Abusive. I just felt that it wasn’t necessary, in regards to what Munroe was being critical of, to mention JK Rowling’s ethnicity.

Within minutes my post was deleted and I was blocked.

I am trans, and Munroe has silenced me.

So it seems nothing can be questioned. Any intent to ask a question, or to strike up debate, will be met with being silenced.

This is fast turning into propaganda. This is fast turning into thought crime. This is fast turning into silencing. This is fast turning into something it should never have been.

When a trans person isn’t even able to question another trans person, what chance do “people who belong to sex that menstruate”* have?

• Christ, I don’t even feel like I can use the word women here without being controversial.

I am so sorry for people to whom I thought I identified alongside (trans people) who are doing this to you. I feel sick and ashamed of what I am, because of people who are representing me.

I feel like I literally have no space left. And I can’t help but feel that a lot of biological woman are feeling the same way. And you have so much more to lose than I ever will, so I simply can’t imagine how this is making you all feel.

Straight women definitely have privilege when it comes to babies, lesbians less so and trans women are right at the bottom of the pile.

TW are not in that pile. TM are.

Any reports in the media even? Would they report it? They are more focused on the transmen giving birth.

"This biological woman must be happy for the trans woman to retain their male anatomy to make a baby. Do you know any women who would be happy about this arrangement? I don't."

Yet lesbian women are being banned from lesbian dating sites for expressing exactly this - that they don't want to date people with male anatomy.

Yet Stonewall went for Allison Bailey because she objected to their suggestion that the 'cotton ceiling' is transphobic, lesbian gate-keeping of, em, being a lesbian.

And Stonewall went for Allison Bailey because she co-founded a group for same sex attracted people who don't want to have sex with people of the opposite sex.

Having the anatomy to become pregnant and gestate isn't a privilege, it's biology.

the hell we're not. I was considered an ugly girl (I was doing female wrong, I guess) and was bullied every day for it. Every day. One day walking home from school I was stopped by a group of boys who held me in the middle of their circle as each spat on me, over and over. My hair, my face, my coat, down my neck... Where is my fucking privilege?

Jellyfish

I've seen accounts where the actual mother is very much in the background, so the MTF trans person can play Mom. Mostly in America.

The ability to be pregnant is not a privilege over transwomen. Femininity is not a privilege. And I'm shocked that so-called feminists are saying this.

The clue is in the words "so-called". Paris Lees considers themselves a feminist, if you read the link I posted. Anyone can. Misogynistic woke bro men consider themselves feminists.

Leaving transmen out of the can/can't have babies analogy is a very odd choice considering that quite a few of them do.

..some still seem to think by privilege were meaning what type of car you have or have a big house or something..
Fuck. Me

I was referring to this bit, where still thinking meant having a car or being a bird.

Birds have the choice about whether to fly at any given moment or not. I don't have that choice, because I'm not a bird, not because of "bird privilege"
Indeed. As I said and Sappho ignored, I don't have a car. If you have one, you are privileged over me in that sense

Northerners are not responsible for Owen Jones

I'm glad you all understand this. It means a lot

Femininity is not a privilege. And I'm shocked that so-called feminists are saying this.

It is though if you're a woman who not only is one biologically, but identifies as one as well and likes being feminine.
You automatically have an advantage in that sense then.

TRA keep trying to associate being gender critical with racism but there is no association its just a way to attempt to discredit. That's why bergdorf mentions Rowling is white.
It completely erases all the gender critical poc.

So all women who have babies want them? None are born through rape or coercion or societal or familial pressure. No women die in childbirth and there are zero risks involved. Scars, stretch marks, saggy flesh does not happen. Being mocked for getting "back into shape" too quickly doesn't happen. Being mocked for the reverse does not happen. Nobody judges women for having or for not having a severely disabled child. Nobody judges women for how many children they have or do not have, or for who they have them with or for the age they are when they have them. Does not happen. And no woman has ever had her earning potential reduced due to having a baby.

Privilege is becoming less meaningful and more of a distraction technique by the day. When did we forget that we are human beings with real lives and not abstract concepts?

All this stuff is hurting so many people. All types of people. I'm really fed up of it.

TW are not in that pile. TM are

Trans men surely wouldn't see it as a privilege though - why would trans men be included instead of trans women in that sentence?
If you're a trans man I'd have thought you most definitely didn't want the privilege of having a female body, giving birth.
Being a trans male.

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

Femininity is not a privilege. And I'm shocked that so-called feminists are saying this.

It is though if you're a woman who not only is one biologically, but identifies as one as well and likes being feminine.
You automatically have an advantage in that sense then.

TBF, that excludes many women here.

And there are so many racist TRAs. Comparing being trans to being black is getting more popular it seems like. Racism on top of the sexism on top of the homophobia. And quite a lot of them seem genuinely transphobic judging by the way they speak to and about trans people who don't toe their line. I think it's going to burst soon because more and more people are getting excluded by their narrow definitions of justice.

I was referring to this bit, where still thinking meant having a car or being a bird.

Yes Lemon, kittens and I were pointing out that that's not actually what the concept of privilege is supposed to mean. Nor is "not being able to gestate a baby when male". It's about structural oppression.

@itsbetterthanabox

TRA keep trying to associate being gender critical with racism but there is no association its just a way to attempt to discredit. That's why bergdorf mentions Rowling is white. It completely erases all the gender critical poc.

Exactly. And as I mentioned earlier, it’s the same reason Bergdorf tweeted the horrendous lie doing the rounds about Rowling’s pen name.

It’s all about slinging mud to distract from the fact that Rowling is drawing attention to the fact that children are being rendered sterile, asexual and permanently medicalised by hormone therapy.

It’s also a reason this thread is getting derailed I suspect.

I'm glad you all understand this. It means a lot

The privilege of being feminine. Omg. I need cake.

It’s also a reason this thread is getting derailed I suspect

Why is it a derail to have a differing opinion?
FFS, this is actually quite an interesting discussion, why shout derail as you're actuall hearing different opinions?
Why do you want an echo chamber?
I like hearing different voices.

The trans woman has to find a biological woman to procreate with.

Well, yes, obvs. Same as for straight men and gay men and women of any sexual orientation who cannot personally gestate a baby due to disability, illness or certain types of infertility.

Doesn’t have to be a romantic relationship though, could be a co parenting partnership, or a surrogacy arrangement (which comes with other difficulties but nonetheless is currently a legally available option in the U.K. for all those in the categories above).

This biological woman must be happy for the trans woman to retain their male anatomy to make a baby.

This isn’t true. Sperm could be banked prior to removal of said male anatomy or conception could be managed without PIV intercourse, either DIY or doctor assisted - but I know you know this, so I’m surprised it slipped your mind.

Do you know any women who would be happy about this arrangement? I don't.

I haven’t asked any of the women I know personally, would be a bit random, but seeing as lots of transwomen do have biological children they must’ve found ‘a biological woman to procreate with’ somewhere, mustn’t they?

Oh so obvious. Women have privilege for being feminine. That's incel talk.

Privilege is becoming less meaningful and more of a distraction technique by the day. When did we forget that we are human beings with real lives and not abstract concepts?

I agree.

Dunno that cake is going to do it at this rate, Bluebooby, unless we're planning to pour booze over it.

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

Femininity is not a privilege. And I'm shocked that so-called feminists are saying this.

It is though if you're a woman who not only is one biologically, but identifies as one as well and likes being feminine.
You automatically have an advantage in that sense then.

I don't identify as anything.

Can you please expand on femininity privilege? I'm not accepting that women have an advantage over transwomen because they look like women or are prettier than them - the reason is that they ARE women.

If PL and MB were female models they wouldn't be given the time of day. They're selected for jobs specifically because they're transwomen.