Munroe Bergdorf

[ripples101]

I am trans.

I was a follower of Munroe Bergdorf’s Instagram.

Munroe wrote a post about JK Rowling, calling her a dangerous woman to the trans community. Munroe stayed something along the lines of

“JKR is a dangerous cisgendered, white woman who is causing harm”

I replied to this post, asking why Munroe felt it necessary to mention JK Rowing’s racial identity.

I wasn’t Abusive. I just felt that it wasn’t necessary, in regards to what Munroe was being critical of, to mention JK Rowling’s ethnicity.

Within minutes my post was deleted and I was blocked.

I am trans, and Munroe has silenced me.

So it seems nothing can be questioned. Any intent to ask a question, or to strike up debate, will be met with being silenced.

This is fast turning into propaganda. This is fast turning into thought crime. This is fast turning into silencing. This is fast turning into something it should never have been.

When a trans person isn’t even able to question another trans person, what chance do “people who belong to sex that menstruate”* have?

• Christ, I don’t even feel like I can use the word women here without being controversial.

I am so sorry for people to whom I thought I identified alongside (trans people) who are doing this to you. I feel sick and ashamed of what I am, because of people who are representing me.

I feel like I literally have no space left. And I can’t help but feel that a lot of biological woman are feeling the same way. And you have so much more to lose than I ever will, so I simply can’t imagine how this is making you all feel.

Crap. Wrong thread. I can't keep up with all the wrong think I'm doing.

@Kantastic

The OP found in her own feminist groups, she was expected to prioritize feminism over anti-racism.

The fuck is this nonsense? I've just read OP's posts on this thread, there are only two and it doesn't say that anywhere.

Yeah, wrong thread. Sorry! We really need an edit button here.

^So now women can’t talk about women’s rights because racism?
^^
^Yes, we all accept racism exists and oppresses black people but that doesn’t mean that women should give up their sex based rights under the equality act, which is what trans people want.

Exactly. This poster hasn't deigned to familiarise themselves even a little with these arguments.

fair enough! Sorry for jumping straight to the swearing, thought it was part of the influx of oddness on this thread.

The rest of us are still 100 years behind you, fighting against police brutality, the right to give birth with our pain being recognised, our children being educated without bias affecting them, income inequality, a government that isnt overtly racist, our elders not getting deported after a lifetime of service to this country etc......

Home I read your earlier posts and something that struck me was that you said *or maybe you would rather focus on a group that 'may' be going to the effort to live a very different life and change their entire identity, to what, attack [women]'. Do you believe that women fighting for their rights are only fighting for single sex spaces?

We are also fighting for the right to give birth with our pain being recognised because at the moment the activists that are pushing an agenda for the erosion of using the word woman are also indirectly shutting down women (ALL women) talking about our needs for birth it does not include them.

They are shutting down discussions about protection against FGM (they are putting a lot more energy into pointing out just how transphobic talking about FGM is without including male penises in the discussion). And they are attacking victims of FGM and trying to get them 'cancelled' if they don't agree.

Do you realise that many of us are also fighting to prevent the dilution or outright erosion of the protection of women's rights in the workforce (ie. the discrimination against women due to their ability to give birth) and this also includes income inequality for any woman. This also includes making sure that those politicians who believe that a gender balanced board (as an example) has satisfied equality if it has 50% male and 50% transwomen. It also covers 'women's officers' who are not born females who, in my opinion, do not have the lived experience to be able to represent women.

Plus there is the sports aspect which becomes very clear when you consider that in the USA, young women are losing their scholarships to people who have had the beneficial effects of male puberty.

I will also gladly support fighting against police brutality, and making sure all UK children have access to the best education without bias, and absolutely people being deported when they should not be.

I would like to know though, why you believe that the fight for women's rights is narrowly focused on changing rooms? Could you please clarify if this is truly what you believe that our many, many threads are about?

JKR was accused of being an enemy of progress. It's interesting, isn't it? This phrase when applied to a specific person, as opposed to a common noun, has a curious historical resonance. Enemy of the people. A Stalinist denunciation which was used to cancel people. Literally. In the original definition of the word. Their assets were confiscated, show trials, featuring public abasement and recantation were followed by exile or death.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8492609/Transgender-model-Munroe-Bergdorf-slams-JK-Rowling-dangerous.html

@Kantastic

fair enough! Sorry for jumping straight to the swearing, thought it was part of the influx of oddness on this thread.

It's ok, it was pretty random out of context.

Which thread were you on? Would like to read.

I think I thought the person scolding here re feminist white supremacy was in one of the other race threads.

Forgetting this is the thread where MB in all MB's misogynistic fabulousness denied 'sisterhood' to a fellow transwoman.

I hope the OP has found nicer Twitter follows.

I too would like clarification of when MB privilege changed? I very much question also why they believe that any person putting themselves in an 'ambassador' role feels that they can speak in such rash generalisations and very often aggressive. They say that the words of their past should not be held against them, but really, I have seen absolutely none of their actions over the past years that show that they have changed at all.

They simply have a much bigger audience and platform.

I was going to comment about the “enemy of progress” sounding all too much like “enemy of the people” as well.

If it wasn’t genuinely terrifying it would be laughable wouldn’t it, the new facism of the left, and whilst they argue about identity politics and who is the most oppressed where are those from the left who are helping society’s most vulnerable, most in need? It isn’t any of these selfish idiots for sure.

Down with capitalist roaders! Reeducation through labour!

The Cultural Revolution was pretty fucking awful the first time. I personally would rather not live through a Part 2.

I too would like clarification of when MB privilege changed?

Yes. I'd like to know the mechanism by which that happens, as well, please Home2018

I did ask you at 12.45 this morning but you don't seem to have responded?

JKR wasn’t talking about BLM in the slightest. She was talking about the definition of woman, at a time her government in Scotland was changing it.

Well clearly Rowling is talking about the definition of woman in the context of changes to law in Scotland, Black Lives Matter, Covid-19, the US Presidential election, Trump’s undisclosed neurological disorder, climate change, the loss of democracy in Hong Kong, Johnny Depp’s libel trial and who will win Masterchef Australia. She really needs to wait her turn, bit of a cheek .

It's always "after the revolution, love" when it comes to women's rights, isn't it?

It is.

@TheProdigalKittensReturn Yes it is always after the revolution. I saw so many responses to JKR's first posts saying why is she doing this now, my response when will it be the right time to talk about womens rights....I never got an answer.

'Come the revolution, sister. Until then...'

Lemonade can you specify what shit the Op gave MB? Also I'm interested in what privilege you believe a woman has over a transwoman?

In terms of those murder stats you're right that we should look worldwide .... at the rate that female foetuses are terminated and women and girls murdered by MEN. Every. Bloody. Day. It would be good to hear what MB would do to change that as MB wishes to be one of us so badly and loves to tell how shit we are at being women.

ripples good to hear from you again, I enjoy your posts and learn lots from your experiences. You are so respectful of the experiences of others too. I hope you return to the thread soon

There's some been some amazing posts on this thread. Home2018 your post at 00:07 in particular.

Going back to this point:

it is the job of the privileged to consider others, always.

I think it's important not to confuse issues around privilege with women's safety, privacy and dignity.

As a biological woman, am I more privileged than the average trans woman? Yes of course.

Does that mean that sex segregation should not exist? That having the privilege of not being trans should mean women should give up their sex based rights completely? No of course not.

As a biological woman, am I more privileged than the average trans woman? Yes of course.

In what sense? That strips the concept of structural privilege of all meaning. Do you have a car? I don't, so anyone who does is more privileged than me.

Lemonade can you specify what shit the Op gave MB?

I didn't say the OP gave shit to MB. If you read my post properly, you'll see I said that if I was MB who daily got shit from people, I don't really blame her for if it was a case of sometimes not engaging and just thinking "Oh God, not another one."
Obviously I'm not her, so no idea if that's the case but it could be - as it'd be draining.

Also I'm interested in what privilege you believe a woman has over a transwoman?
The fact we're biologically women and not trans women?
I'd have thought that'd go without saying.

Agree
I think it's important not to confuse issues around privilege with women's safety, privacy and dignity
As a biological woman, am I more privileged than the average trans woman? Yes of course

As a biological woman, am I more privileged than the average trans woman? Yes of course.

Why? And can I ask what you consider an average transwoman? One who has transitioned as a child or one that has transitioned as an adult when they have been socialised as a male until then and in reality, will continue that socialisation for life ?