Dr Jordan Peterson

[12boo]

I believe I am a feminist
But I seem to be a fan of Jordan Peterson. Are these states totally incompatible?

[12boo]

And I do like the way Canadian men sound a bit like Scottish Americans 🙈

[Giggorata]

I don't agree with a lot of what he says, but boy! The way he says it.
I've listened to a lot of his interviews and lectures and he is considered, articulate and skilled. I don't think I have once heard him say “er...”
His debating skills are considerable and he remains courteous and articulate, sometimes in the face of extreme provocation.

I enjoy his lectures where he uses archetypes and myths to illustrate points on psychology; and he uses biblical stuff in the same way.
I didn't think he was an evangelical Christian but sometimes I got the impression he wished there was a god.

I think he is wrong about Feminism and the Patriarchy, which he doesn't believe in, citing men's work in dangerous industries and settings throughout history as evidence of their oppression, analogous to women's (nothing like it) but he has some good points about telling men to get their acts together and take responsibility for themselves.

He is put in the “alt right” box, mainly by those who haven’t bothered to listen to him.
He condemns Communism as much as Nazism, and points out that no one seems to mention the millions incarcerated and dead during the Soviet and Mao eras, whereas everyone remembers the concentration camps under Hitler.
He is opposed to Marxism and Post Modernism, and sees them as infiltrating universities and organisations at the expense of independent thought and bringing in wrongthink. (Ring any bells?)
He sees his opposition to “compelled speech” in Canada as reminiscent of what Orwell wrote about in Animal Farm.

People have ridiculed him for his voice, saying it sounds like Kermit the Frog (it does)
One thing that made me warm to him was a picture on his blog, of him looking quizzically at a Kermit puppet. 😀

[JellyFishSquish]

I had heard of JP but only knew of his "views" from second hand. When someone in the pub asked me (as a Canadian, but not living in Canada) to explain his hateful opinions I decided I'd better find out what's what.

So I watched some videos, both lectures and talks with others (Douglas Murray, Gad Saad) and the Uni free speech eruption. I liked it, and watched more. That person who put ME on the spot in the pub did me a huge favour. The way social media is now, people can be turned off an idea or a person through half truths or outright lies. I thought JP was beyond the pale so I didn't bother to hear his message. I can't back absolutely everything he says, sure, but he is intelligent, thoughtful and his videos are well worth watching.

[Someone1987]

My husband is a huge fan. He tried to get me to read the book but couldn't get into it

[THRILLHO]

Didn't he go into an induced coma in Russia to get over an opiate addiction? Doesn't sound like a very clean room.

[MarkRuffaloCrumble]

I was about to say he sounds like Kermit

I agree with most on here - some of what he says is very relatable and the fact that he encourages young men to shape up and grow up has to be a good thing. But he does push the gender roles a bit much for my liking. The fact that he thinks women shouldn’t aim to be successful because it’s not all its cracked up to be with those long hours and responsibility etc doesn’t take into account that money = power in our society and by keeping women in traditional roles we keep them powerless to have agency over their own lives. How many times do we read on here about women who are miserable in their marriage but not earning enough to leave?

He’s like most of these people who are famous rent-a-gobs - very articulate and persuasive but without much nuance or empathy of other people’s situations.

[THRILLHO]

The Kay's cooking of motivational speakers.

[WeeBisom]

He's clearly very antagonistic to feminism (women are 'chaos', really?) I'm afraid he jumped off the deep end when he defended the Toronto incel killer: “He was angry at God because women were rejecting him...The cure for that is enforced monogamy. That’s actually why monogamy emerges.”

When Peterson began to get a little bit of pushback for directly saying the cure for incel murders was 'enforced monogamy' he immediately rebutted that he didn't really mean what he said (and linked a random Reddit comment as evidence that 'enforced monogamy' doesn't actually mean...er...enforcing monogamy. It just means a culture where monogamy is highly valued, apparently.)

I actually find Peterson quite interesting as a character, particularly in the wake of his struggles with drug addiction. In his latest video he seems a very fragile poor thing - he's crying, and obviously not doing very well mentally at all. I always had the impression that Peterson's bigging up of macho masculinity was a bit of a facade - he scoffs at us having 'too much empathy', but in fact I think he's actually a sensitive soul.

[Franticbutterfly]

I don't agree with everything he says but by and large I'm on the same page as him with most things. He tells it like it is, not how it should be, he's a realist and so am I.

[Thelnebriati]

Someone1987
Was that his '12 steps' book? So can your husband hear you when you ask him to pick up after himself or is it only radical when a man says it?

[MondayYogurt]

The guy who only eats beef?

[WipeYourFeet]

A curate's egg is actually a perfect description.
I went and looked him up on YouTube

The last video there is from his daughter. I feel quite sorry for him/them as family. Sounds like they're really been through the mill. I wouldn't wish that last year they've had on anyone.

[picklemewalnuts]

Poor guy! That sounds like a hell of a trauma for them, wrestling with his wife's diagnosis too.

Someone will be along soon to say he's the nonthinking persons's hero, or whatever that vacuous accusation is.

I like him.

[Needmoresleep]

Surely the point of hearing listening to someone who you don't necessarily expect to agree with, is that it helps you refine your own views.

Why do you disagree? What do you really think. Why do some arguments appear persuasive, but instinctively you don't agree with the conclusion?

Being able to think independently is an important skill. You can't develop it by simply listening to people in your echo chamber.

[skql]

what i can't understand is ...
i think peterson is very famous about his opposition on bill c16 and free speech.
(even in my country...east east asia)

but lot of canadian pp doesn't know about bill c16,
and now some woman are surprised what happaning.

[madwoman1ntheattic]

I’m fairly ambivalent about his overall thinking, but the Lindsay Shepherd debacle threw him into the spotlight. No one was in danger of sacking him (professor) for debating preferred pronouns/ mandated speech policies on television, but as a female teaching assistant, don’t dare show the clip as part of a class.
His role in the free speech debate is interesting, but I’m more concerned about the still constant no-platforming and cancelling of Lindsay Shepherd, despite mealy-mouthed apology she got from Wilfrid Laurier.

[madwoman1ntheattic]

@skql

what i can't understand is ...
i think peterson is very famous about his opposition on bill c16 and free speech.
(even in my country...east east asia)

but lot of canadian pp doesn't know about bill c16,
and now some woman are surprised what happaning.

You are joking? Bill C-16 some hidden artifact? Everyone knows about C-16. It’s mentioned roughly at the same rate as section 28 in the UK.

[RedToothBrush]

Since when do you have to agree with every opinion someone has?

I find this attitude very frustrating.

We SHOULD be critical and say 'I agree with that idea but think you are wrong about that one'. Its healthy and encourages debate.

The idea that we have to agree with everything someone says is absurd!

[12boo]

@MondayYogurt

The guy who only eats beef?

That's him

[SarahTancredi]

You are joking? Bill C-16 some hidden artifact? Everyone knows about C-16. It’s mentioned roughly at the same rate as section 28 in the UK

What they dont know, someone started a thread about it the other day about Bill's, is that before each one is passed they have to do some kind of gender based assessment ( I'm.assuming its basically what we would call an equality impact assessment) showing the potential impact/conflicts the bill may have. This is meant to be available for public view and for every other bill its available. Fir c-16 a woman has been given the run around for years unable to view or obtain or indeed have anyone shed a light on if this assessment has even really been done.

[12boo]

@RedToothBrush

Since when do you have to agree with every opinion someone has?

I find this attitude very frustrating.

We SHOULD be critical and say 'I agree with that idea but think you are wrong about that one'. Its healthy and encourages debate.

The idea that we have to agree with everything someone says is absurd!

I don't feel the need to agree with everything a person says to like them but I was surprised to find myself.... "attracted" to someone and sympathetic to their views when they deny the existence of a "tyrannical patriarchy" given that I consider my sea feminist (a proper one, not lib fem) so I was curious about the stance of other feminists

[JellyFishSquish]

WipeYourFeet There is a new one-- I watched a hours old new video by JP and his daughter yesterday?, describing what they have been through, but damned if I can find it now (spooky) sorry

[Eveta]

I believe I am a feminist
But I seem to be a fan of Jordan Peterson. Are these states totally incompatible?

No of course not. I think he's really interesting. And I think he's a good role model for men.

[MaMaLa321]

I like him, but I also think he needs a better editor, as he can be very wordy.
When he first became popular, I watched/listened to him a lot. The Cathy Newman interview was especially enjoyable. But, as time went on, he kept on covering the same ground. Either because that's what he wanted to talk about, or because that is all people asked him about, I don't know. He looked steadily more ill and cranky as time went on and I'm not surprised that he seems to have had some kind of crisis, though I feel very sorry.

[skql]

i read a story about a man/boy? wanted to be woman.

and he said very bad for being man,
smelly, angry, all of it, and last he didn't wanna do bad on woman...

and it was shocking.

i feel he is very young and for him being man is violent on woman and hated for that.

yes, guys need a role model.
guys need pride and wisdom as we woman need that too.

at this point in society there's no philosophy.

only orgasm and short emotions.